#1796526 - 02/18/10 11:33 AM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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jb3
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I like the 3 buck limit. One guy on our lease killed two, both scored in the 130's and he hunter for #3. Another lost one during both archery and muzzle and took one during rifle, so in effect he took 3. It is a managed lease, and every year there's a good number of big bucks taken. I think if it was reduced to 2, that's alright, but 1 buck a year and I think the property would lose some shooters to the surrounding properties. Surrounding properties that shoot anything.
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#1796685 - 02/18/10 01:14 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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but a blind hog can find an acorn every now and then but his chances are better when the trees are loaded
So are we supposed to reduce every single hunters ability to harvest a deer to load the scales for the "blind" hunter? (We'll call him the not-so-passionate hunter to remain politically correct.) Not trying to sound offensive but it sounds somewhat socialistic. The hunters willing to work hard can reap tremendous benefits with the current system. It seems as if some folks want everyone on the same plane so even the folks who don't try very hard can reap the same benefits. Unfortunately mature buck hunting doesn't play out that way...it is something you need to work hard for. Anyhow, not getting into a debate. All we are talking about is degrees of health. Our agency contends that once a herd is deemed healthy, we should create as much opportortunity as possible without negatively affecting the health of the herd.
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#1796713 - 02/18/10 01:27 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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How many can honestly say if given the chance to kill 3 trophy bucks whatever that might be to you in 1 Tn hunting season wouldn't do it? I can say I would not. Last year I killed my best buck ever the first week of archery. I then put all my effort into helping my wife get a chance at a good deer. This past season I hunted very little for myself. Only knew of 1 real nice older buck and a couple nice middle age deer. I wanted my wife to get one and the rest of the time I spent taking either a young handicapped boy or his sister. Even if I was run over with 4.5 year old I would not want to kill 3 for myself. I believe in spreading the glory.
I too would not shoot three bucks, even three mature bucks. Two is enough for me.
Let me clear something up. I am not completely against the 3 buck limit. I just believe that if lowered to a 2 buck limit more people will see bucks. I know for a fact that I could have kept some people from killing a deer if I would have shot it first. In some cases I have let them walk in hopes that person would kill it and they did. I know if more deer are allowed to walk more people will kill deer. I have seen it happen!
You'll get no argument on that belief system from me. The only problem I have is the idea that significantly less bucks would be killed with a 2 buck limit compared with a 3 buck limit. I think the difference in statewide buck harvest would be insignificant between the two limits.
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#1796759 - 02/18/10 01:46 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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Tree Tramp
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Well im not lazy or inexperienced when it comes to mature bucks they simply dont exist around here and they used to be here in pretty good #s in the 1980s. They are simply overharvested locally due to liberal buck limits. If the agency and a few bloggers want to keep the 3 buck limit i guess ill keep doing what ive been doing. Ill go somewhere else cause im not lazy.
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#1796762 - 02/18/10 01:46 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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but a blind hog can find an acorn every now and then but his chances are better when the trees are loaded
So are we supposed to reduce every single hunters ability to harvest a deer to load the scales for the "blind" hunter? (We'll call him the not-so-passionate hunter to remain politically correct.) Not trying to sound offensive but it sounds somewhat socialistic. The hunters willing to work hard can reap tremendous benefits with the current system. It seems as if some folks want everyone on the same plane so even the folks who don't try very hard can reap the same benefits. Unfortunately mature buck hunting doesn't play out that way...it is something you need to work hard for. Anyhow, not getting into a debate. All we are talking about is degrees of health. Our agency contends that once a herd is deemed healthy, we should create as much opportortunity as possible without negatively affecting the health of the herd. understand what you are saying and agree 100% was just pointing out to the people who think it is mostly skill that gets the job done when that is not always the reason there are alot of hunters who are reaping the benefits now because of the job TWRA has done and there are 2 reasons for it 1) hard work and commitment 2)the opportunity was just there
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#1796784 - 02/18/10 01:59 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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Well im not lazy or inexperienced when it comes to mature bucks they simply dont exist around here and they used to be here in pretty good #s in the 1980s. They are simply overharvested locally due to liberal buck limits. If the agency and a few bloggers want to keep the 3 buck limit i guess ill keep doing what ive been doing. Ill go somewhere else cause im not lazy.  I've not kept up with this thread,nor have I read any of the other posts on it until now..But yours caught my attention..If they are overharvesting the bucks with 3 a year,then shouldn't we not see any older mature does since we have such liberal doe harvests?
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#1796797 - 02/18/10 02:07 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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Tree Tramp
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Excellent point cecil. Mature does are fairly common here. I mean fully mature too. See them every year. Its part because of the limited doe harvest (unit A) and liberal buck harvest that the does are able to reach maturity and beyond in some cases. Its one reason why i believe with a little tweak of the regs lots of folks like myself can see some improvements in the buck department.
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#1796955 - 02/18/10 04:08 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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How many can honestly say if given the chance to kill 3 trophy bucks whatever that might be to you in 1 Tn hunting season wouldn't do it? I can say I would not. Last year I killed my best buck ever the first week of archery. I then put all my effort into helping my wife get a chance at a good deer. This past season I hunted very little for myself. Only knew of 1 real nice older buck and a couple nice middle age deer. I wanted my wife to get one and the rest of the time I spent taking either a young handicapped boy or his sister. Even if I was run over with 4.5 year old I would not want to kill 3 for myself. I believe in spreading the glory. Let me clear something up. I am not completely against the 3 buck limit. I just believe that if lowered to a 2 buck limit more people will see bucks. I know for a fact that I could have kept some people from killing a deer if I would have shot it first. In some cases I have let them walk in hopes that person would kill it and they did. I know if more deer are allowed to walk more people will kill deer. I have seen it happen! i have seen it happen as well i took a guy from work that hardly ever kills a deer and i set him up in a spot i knew would produce and he killed a spike that i had let go several times and that is just one example of many that i have had and i have enjoyed giving other hunters opportunities that they would normally not had
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#1796961 - 02/18/10 04:18 PM
Re: One or two buck limits.
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Excellent point cecil. Mature does are fairly common here. I mean fully mature too. See them every year. Its part because of the limited doe harvest (unit A) and liberal buck harvest that the does are able to reach maturity and beyond in some cases. Its one reason why i believe with a little tweak of the regs lots of folks like myself can see some improvements in the buck department.
That brings up a great point. This is the first year that there is statistically no difference in the harvested age structure of the bucks verses the does. So if anyone starts proclaiming we need to protect the young bucks for herd health reasons, they had better be preaching that we need to protect the young does as well. If not, then they certainly shouldn't play the "health" card. It would be in everyone's best interest if it is just stated they they are interested in antlers not health. It just clears the air...
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