#1790491 - 02/15/10 03:58 PM
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backstraps
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Well lets beat another topic to death. What are your opinions and thoughts? Pro's and Con's of them? Do you consider them baiting, or feeding.
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#1790502 - 02/15/10 04:06 PM
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I would consider most of the food plots baiting..Because most of the time,people will plant stuff that doesn't grow naturally for the deer in the area or grow in such a concentrated area..Now if it was a food plot of nothing but native grasses n browse,then no,I wouldn't consider it baiting..
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#1790505 - 02/15/10 04:07 PM
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i consider it baiting but would love to have one anyways, but can't, we need all of our fields to support the number of cattle we have
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#1790509 - 02/15/10 04:09 PM
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Most everyone on here says that whatever TWRAs rules/regs are perfect for this state,so they must be good.I know they are good at my place,deer are really getting a great benefit from them right now,just got back from checkingh them out,they are mowed down.
I stated on here before though,I plant them for me really.I enjoy planting them,the benefit it gives to many forms of wildlife,but most importantly,even though I dont hunt when I can see them usually,I believe the prescense of the food plots gives me the oppurtunity to see more deer each time I hunt!
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#1790711 - 02/15/10 05:39 PM
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Im for them. I consider a pile of corn baiting and a food plot feeding. That's just me. I see the argument that a food plot can be baiting but it just doesn't seem the same to me.
I got a question: If I planted corn or soybean in a field instead of bio-logic what is the difference? Is corn or soybean natural? No, they are planted by farmers for a reason. Whether it's for silage, ethanol, or whatever it's not a native grass. So if I plant something for deer or turkey does that mean I'm farming the area for a reason or baiting them?
Say Im hunting on a farm that had a tobacco patch on it. After the tobacco is harvested the farmer comes in and plants winter wheat to put nitrogen back in the soil. It just so happens that the deer find it and feed in it. Does that make it a "food plot?" It wasn't planted for deer or turkey but they are using it. Or say clover was planted in it. Is clover natural? I'd say it is. So is it still a "food plot"? My point is that if its planted and grows (no matter what it is) and you hunt over it then how is it baiting?
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#1790727 - 02/15/10 05:46 PM
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buckmaster 320
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I consider food plots baiting. JMO
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#1790734 - 02/15/10 05:50 PM
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Wes Parrish
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I consider wildlife food plots NEITHER "baiting" nor "feeding".
I look at wildlife food plots to be more along the lines of habitat improvement.
Most wildlife food plots provide only a small percentage of a deer's daily/weekly/annual diet, but they provide yet another food item that can be of greater importance when other food items fail.
"Feeding" is pouring or scattering something out on the ground. "Baiting" is hunting over that feed.
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#1790745 - 02/15/10 05:54 PM
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IMO planting natural sources of food like Oak trees, fruit trees, or other natural grasses as habitat improvement. A normal "habitat" would be anything that is already in a given habitat area. To me food plots that are not native to an area would not be good for habitat improvement.
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#1790754 - 02/15/10 05:57 PM
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I consider wildlife food plots NEITHER "baiting" nor "feeding".
I look at wildlife food plots to be along the lines of habitat improvement.
"Feeding" is pouring or scattering something out on the ground. "Baiting" is hunting over that feed.
"Baiting" is hunting over a food plot that has been made or poured out on the ground,either way,it is put out to lure deer in.. JMO
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#1790773 - 02/15/10 06:04 PM
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Wes Parrish
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"Baiting" is hunting over a food plot that has been made or poured out on the ground,either way,it is put out to lure deer in.. What if the deer are "already there"? No "luring in".
My food plots are year-round plots, and do little to "lure" any deer beyond what deer are already in the area and would otherwise be lured to any other change in habitat, such as a clear-cut, a select-cut, or a field.
I have some hay fields that are a half mile from the nearest cultivated/fertilized food plots ---- yet I often see more deer in these hay fields. Some of these deer are identifable and have never been photographed in the nearby "food" plots. Why? All I can figure is relative location to a myriad of diverse habitat. For my purposes, the food plots are just another alternative habitat that SOME deer will SOMETIMES utilize. And like most forest openings and fields, usage tends to be more at night, particularly by the older deer.
As a hunting tool, most food plots are highly overrated (mainly by those selling food plot products and hunting shows).
As a source of additional deer forage, most food plots are highly overrated (mainly by those selling food plot products and hunting shows).
But there are huge differences in the value of benefits from a wildlife food plot vs. pouring out some corn from a bag, as well as much less disease and predation risks with food plots vs. corn feeders.
Food plots, corn feeders, mineral licks, deer scents, "deer corn" in a bag, etc. ---- all highly overrated mainly by those selling those products.
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#1790815 - 02/15/10 06:19 PM
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"Baiting" is hunting over a food plot that has been made or poured out on the ground,either way,it is put out to lure deer in.. What if the deer are "already there"? No "luring in". My food plots are year-round plots, and do little to "lure" any deer beyond what deer are already in the area and would otherwise be lured to any other change in habitat, such as a clear-cut, a select-cut, or a field. I have some hay fields that are a half mile from the nearest cultivated/fertilized food plots ---- yet I often see more deer in these hay fields. Some of these deer are identifable and have never been photographed in the nearby "food" plots. Why? All I can figure is relative location to a myriad of diverse habitat. For my purposes, the food plots are just another alternative habitat that SOME deer will SOMETIMES utilize. And like most forest openings and fields, usage tends to be more at night, particularly by the older deer.
What if the deer are "not there"? Would that be "luring in"? Because I dont think all "your" deer will stay in the same area year after year without some new ones moving in
year-round plots can also be poured out on the ground to benefit what deer are already in the area..
Again, JMO
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#1790817 - 02/15/10 06:20 PM
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The great debate again.
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#1790831 - 02/15/10 06:22 PM
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#1790833 - 02/15/10 06:22 PM
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Is there a difference in me planting a field full of corn or throwning it on the ground...? Probably not... I know there is the debate that one takes a lot more work than the other... I know theres the debate that I don't hunt over the food plot.. In the end, do I do both for the same reasons?
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#1790838 - 02/15/10 06:23 PM
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If you do something to "lure deer" then its baiting. Unless something just grows up out of the ground on its own then you are trying to "bait" deer onto your property.
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#1790847 - 02/15/10 06:25 PM
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If you do something to "lure deer" then its baiting. Unless something just grows up out of the ground on its own then you are trying to "bait" deer onto your property.
I agree 100 %
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#1790878 - 02/15/10 06:35 PM
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Wes Parrish
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What if the deer are "not there"? Would that be "luring in"? Because I dont think all "your" deer will stay in the same area year after year without some new ones moving in.
That's right. And neither "my" deer nor "your" deer are going to be held to any small acreage to much extent by a food plot.
My point was/is that none of these "gimmicks" are the "lure" so many seem to think. Deer move around more than many people realize, and regardless of "your" deer or "my" deer, you're not going to "hold" them with a food plot. I have frequently photographed a particular buck in one of my food plots, then have someone else photograph him in one of their food plots or kill him a couple miles away.
Considering a square mile is 640 acres, the frequency at which I've observed a particular deer get photographed/killed a mile or two from Cam A to Cam B within a 24-hour period, I've just concluded that most deer regularly roam over somewhere between several hundred and several thousand acres ---- no matter how we may try to lure or hold them to a smaller area.
And as far as hunting goes, I suspect more older deer are saved from hunters' bullets by food plots, baiting, and feeding than are killed because of food plots, baiting, and feeding.
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#1791119 - 02/15/10 07:50 PM
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Okay with all that has been said so far... why is it where I can drive and see food plots I see treestands or blinds beside them or overlooking them. IF you are hunting over an all NON NATURAL setting that is providing food as an attractant, then you are baiting the deer to your location. Regardless is TWRA says it is legal to do so, fact of the matter is you altered the deer foods to your hunting site.
If you alter the deers habitat with food (attractant) and dont want it to be called baiting, then you shouldnt hunt over it.
TWRA REGS states you cant go into the woods and pick up a couple 50 lb bags of white oak acorns, and dump them on the ground near your tree stand. THE acorns are all natural, you simply altered the location of the food to use as an attractant.
TO be perfectly honest, I have several food plot locations! If I dont have a stand hanging in sight of them, then I have a stand intercepting the travel routes to and from them. To be perfectly honest, I have corn on the ground during the legal times of the year, for camera purposes.
I can tell you from my experience, the corn attracts the deer until the acorns drop. The food plots are more attractant when natural food sources hard becoming scarce.
I do enjoy planting and watching the fruits of my labor grow and deer eat them. BUT I will not try and mask what food plots are truely intended for and be a hypocrite to those that would rather buy the bag and pour it out. NO DIFFERNCE BAITING IS BAITING!
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#1791136 - 02/15/10 07:53 PM
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And as far as hunting goes, I suspect more older deer are saved from hunters' bullets by food plots, baiting, and feeding than are killed because of food plots, baiting, and feeding.
I couldnt agree more. Older deer that has food sources easily accessibly such as piles or plants, generally are more nocturnal!
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#1791224 - 02/15/10 08:11 PM
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I plant for the benefit of the deer and turkey using them. They need it especially in Jan,Feb and March before greenup in april.
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#1791227 - 02/15/10 08:12 PM
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Okay with all that has been said so far... why is it where I can drive and see food plots I see treestands or blinds beside them or overlooking them. IF you are hunting over an all NON NATURAL setting that is providing food as an attractant, then you are baiting the deer to your location. Regardless is TWRA says it is legal to do so, fact of the matter is you altered the deer foods to your hunting site.
If you alter the deers habitat with food (attractant) and dont want it to be called baiting, then you shouldnt hunt over it.
TWRA REGS states you cant go into the woods and pick up a couple 50 lb bags of white oak acorns, and dump them on the ground near your tree stand. THE acorns are all natural, you simply altered the location of the food to use as an attractant.
TO be perfectly honest, I have several food plot locations! If I dont have a stand hanging in sight of them, then I have a stand intercepting the travel routes to and from them. To be perfectly honest, I have corn on the ground during the legal times of the year, for camera purposes.
I can tell you from my experience, the corn attracts the deer until the acorns drop. The food plots are more attractant when natural food sources hard becoming scarce.
I do enjoy planting and watching the fruits of my labor grow and deer eat them. BUT I will not try and mask what food plots are truely intended for and be a hypocrite to those that would rather buy the bag and pour it out. NO DIFFERNCE BAITING IS BAITING! I agree
And as far as hunting goes, I suspect more older deer are saved from hunters' bullets by food plots, baiting, and feeding than are killed because of food plots, baiting, and feeding.
I couldnt agree more. Older deer that has food sources easily accessibly such as piles or plants, generally are more nocturnal! also agree
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#1791377 - 02/15/10 08:45 PM
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Again,TWRA says they are legal,so they must think they are good idea overall.I do.Call it what you want to.
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#1791630 - 02/15/10 09:48 PM
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Great post Wes, I agree with your thoughts.
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#1791838 - 02/16/10 04:07 AM
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Again,TWRA says they are legal,so they must think they are good idea overall.I do.Call it what you want to.
TWRA also banned shooting of any albino deer. Do you also think they also think that was a good idea?
Not trying to argue, because I read and agree with alot of your post. But simply because it is legal, doesnt mean TWRA agrees with or thiks they are a good idea to have.
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#1792575 - 02/16/10 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted By: buckmaster 320 "Baiting" is hunting over a food plot that has been made or poured out on the ground,either way,it is put out to lure deer in..
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#1792784 - 02/16/10 02:46 PM
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So what would a mineral lick be considered?
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#1792853 - 02/16/10 03:24 PM
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So what would a mineral lick be considered? Baiting too...The way I see it,is that if its not there naturally then its baiting..And while the minerals are there natually,they are not in such a concentrated area naturally..And while some things that are planted in food plots occur naturally for deer,they do not grow that concentrated in 1 area naturally!
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#1792918 - 02/16/10 04:10 PM
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So what would a mineral lick be considered?
Just like food plots,pouring bait on ground,mineral licks,hunting around acorn trees,hunting around persimmon trees,hunting around a corn field,hunting over a pond, its all baiting
JMO
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#1792950 - 02/16/10 04:34 PM
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Again,TWRA says they are legal,so they must think they are good idea overall.I do.Call it what you want to. TWRA also banned shooting of any albino deer. Do you also think they also think that was a good idea? Not trying to argue, because I read and agree with alot of your post. But simply because it is legal, doesnt mean TWRA agrees with or thiks they are a good idea to have. No idea why they protect albinos,maybe BGG will chime in,I cant imagine that TWRA would be against it,food plots that is.
In fact,dont many wildlife agencies PLANT food plots themselves?
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#1792954 - 02/16/10 04:36 PM
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So what would a mineral lick be considered? Just like food plots,pouring bait on ground,mineral licks,hunting around acorn trees,hunting around persimmon trees,hunting around a corn field,hunting over a pond, its all baiting JMO Hunting around a 75 or 80 year old White Oak is baiting?WOW,I guess I should hunt in the middle of a 200 acre broom staw field,they dont like broom straw do they?
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#1792976 - 02/16/10 04:47 PM
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So what would a mineral lick be considered? Just like food plots,pouring bait on ground,mineral licks,hunting around acorn trees,hunting around persimmon trees,hunting around a corn field,hunting over a pond, its all baiting JMO Hunting around a 75 or 80 year old White Oak is baiting?WOW,I guess I should hunt in the middle of a 200 acre broom staw field,they dont like broom straw do they?
Deer eats White oaks and deer eats corn..one is legal to hunt around and the other is not??? Just doesnt make too much sense
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#1792979 - 02/16/10 04:51 PM
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Still doesnt explain you calling hunting near a white oak "baiting",I would say that 99% of white oaks that are old enough to produce,were not planted by those who are hunting near them,its natural.
Heck,I dont really care,I see a huge difference between acorns and dumped out corn,but.....Im out on this topic.
At least for tonight.
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#1792983 - 02/16/10 04:55 PM
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#1793758 - 02/16/10 09:48 PM
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I think hunting around natural food sources isnt baiting. Unless a hunter has altered, moved, or placed food for deer to eat, then that isnt baiting.
A hunter didnt have anything to do with an oak tree that is producing. etc etc
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#1793942 - 02/17/10 12:14 AM
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Well lets beat another topic to death. What are your opinions and thoughts? Pro's and Con's of them? Do you consider them baiting, or feeding.
Pro provides a valuable food source and increases edge. Con expensive/labor intensive.
Neither
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#1794522 - 02/17/10 10:35 AM
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I read back through this thing,you call basically any food source baiting,JYO,white oaks,corn,persimmons,salt lick.My question is,how do you hunt then,assuming you are against baiting?
Do you find a place in the woods devoid of any type of deer food?Man that would be hard to do during bow season?I guess I dont understand your point,you lost me with hunting near a white oak is equivalent to pouring corn on the ground.
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#1794566 - 02/17/10 11:02 AM
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buckmaster 320
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[quote=buckmaster 320]JMO I read back through this thing,you call basically any food source baiting,JYO,white oaks,corn,persimmons,salt lick.My question is,how do you hunt then,assuming you are against baiting?
Never said I was against baiting
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#1795408 - 02/17/10 06:36 PM
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[quote=buckmaster 320]JMO I read back through this thing,you call basically any food source baiting,JYO,white oaks,corn,persimmons,salt lick.My question is,how do you hunt then,assuming you are against baiting? Never said I was against baiting ok,so then your for baiting and equivicating baiting to hunting near a dropping white oak,got it,man.....thats a stretch,but whatever
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#1795821 - 02/17/10 09:12 PM
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Talk about rednecks.
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#1796044 - 02/18/10 06:23 AM
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It's all baiting.I got to finally put out a food plot this year and it dramatically increased my chances so call it what you will I seen the difference a plot made.....BAITING!
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