#1794749 - 02/17/10 12:53 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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Wes Parrish
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Perhaps KY is killing more 4 1/2's than TN?
Say TN kills more 2 1/2 and older bucks than KY.
That doesn't mean KY isn't killing more 4 1/2 and older bucks than TN.
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#1794757 - 02/17/10 12:57 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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Wes Parrish
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Just saying the percent yearlings doesn't matter as much as some seem to think.
1,000 yearlings is 33% of 3,000 harvested bucks;
1,000 yearlings is 50% of 2,000 harvested bucks.
If you had 4,000 bucks, would you rather see 2,000 or 3,000 of them killed each year? And in this case, would 50% yearlings be better than 33% yearlings?
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#1794759 - 02/17/10 12:58 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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BigWes50
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Does anybody have the data that shows total deer killed in Ky and in TN, then compare KY and TN total doe harvest as a percent of total harvest in both states?
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#1794773 - 02/17/10 01:05 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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8 POINTS OR BETTER
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I don't have proof that it will work but do you have proof that it will not? Strong suggestion that it will not. Again, look at KY. They are not killing more older bucks with a lower buck limit.
If you compare other states data to TN's, then there is a strong suggestion that their lower limits and restrictions are working, as far as killing more older deer than we are.
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#1794800 - 02/17/10 01:16 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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Winchester
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Originally Posted By: BSK
Again, look at KY. They are not killing more older bucks with a lower buck limit.
BSK, what data are you using to base this statement on? Just curious?
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#1794840 - 02/17/10 01:38 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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Setterman
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Does anybody have the data that shows total deer killed in Ky and in TN, then compare KY and TN total doe harvest as a percent of total harvest in both states?
Here is the data you asked for:
KY Totals:
65,145 Bucks
48,440 Does
TN Totals:
83,505 Bucks
68,037 Does
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#1794847 - 02/17/10 01:41 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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mathews338
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Perhaps KY is killing more 4 1/2's than TN?
Say TN kills more 2 1/2 and older bucks than KY.
That doesn't mean KY isn't killing more 4 1/2 and older bucks than TN.
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#1794874 - 02/17/10 01:53 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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Does anybody have the data that shows total deer killed in Ky and in TN, then compare KY and TN total doe harvest as a percent of total harvest in both states? Here is the data you asked for: KY Totals: 65,145 Bucks 48,440 Does TN Totals: 83,505 Bucks 68,037 Does
Our #'s are obviously higher, but % wise there is little difference in just bucks vs. does. Now the age of those bucks is a different story. It is really interesting for last year because we had a brand new check in method, and it is being compared to KY's method, which has been publicly bashed pretty hard on here in years past by our guys in charge, as being very weak and not good data! Comparisons arent very good when you dont really know what your comparing on either side???
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#1794886 - 02/17/10 01:57 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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Setterman
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I wasn't offering any opinions, the man asked a question and I answered.
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#1794933 - 02/17/10 02:21 PM
Re: Proof that it will work in TENNESSEE....
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gator-n-buck
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[quote=BSK]Wes and DWM,
But what you're forgetting is the whole argument against the new season dates and statewide 3 buck limit was that 1) it would cause far more bucks to be killed; and 2) it would cause a big increase in the kill of young bucks.
Neither of those happened. In fact, if someone asked me to find something "biologically negative" about the results of last year's limits and seasons, I would be hard pressed to do so, short of perhaps not enough does killed. But hunters 1) didn't kill significantly more bucks; 2) had the positive results of killing more 3 1/2+ bucks; and 3) killed the fewest number of yearling bucks in years. What's not to like about that?
Don't get me wrong. Personally I prefer a statewide 2 buck limit simply out of principle. But if pushed to state a biological reason for a 2 buck limit, I can't do it. No good biological reason exists at this point. Of course, we only have one year's data to work from, and making "grand" decisions based on a single year's data is always dangerous. No I havent forgot any of that stuff. I was just saying that this years limits did not create more 3 1/2 year old bucks. Now biologically the difference between a 2 and 3 buck limit would probably not even be measurable since our deer are already in good shape. Like I have said before I believe a 2 buck limit will give a higher percentage of hunter success and a few more mature bucks. I believe you yourself has said that your buck numbers were down this year. And yes I remember you saying several times you would like the 2 buck limit. I know there are several like you that do not hunt with every weapon and that is why I favor the 2 buck limit over the 1 per weapon. I'm just glad things are better than they were in the 70's!
Hunters have to make their own success, buck limits won't change that.....
Edited by gator-n-buck (02/17/10 02:23 PM)
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