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#1783889 - 02/11/10 11:25 PM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: DUCK37101]
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The deer hunting will do more than level off in 3 years, Crops have been there since the start, I first hunted LBL back in 1974,
even then most of the deer didn't hang around the fields. There was road hunting back then, yes the fields will grow up, but you here it on TNDEER all the time talking about KY, "its the soil" but its also the crops grown in the dirt make help make it happen.
When fields grow up less will hunt and less does will die, the herd will drop in quality.
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#1783945 - 02/12/10 02:50 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: landman]
buckdead
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This will hurt the turkeys worse than it will the deer. No way they can make it thru the summer without the fields \:\(

Edited by buckdead (02/12/10 02:50 AM)
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#1783986 - 02/12/10 05:32 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: DUCK37101]
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 Originally Posted By: DUCK37101
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
It's been public property since 1964, 46 years.

There are dozens of groups that want to do that very thing, give it back to the owners. Most of them are after the PROFITS it will make, high dollar private hunting clubs for one.

The deer hunting will be better this year and next. After that it will go down hill for the next 3-5 years then level off. The deer numbers will also level off like they do in every old growth forest.





I was making a point that it changed hands due to agenda oriented causes. It didn't belong to anyone but those who owned it to begin with and saying that it may go back to being privately owned would be sweet justice for those who may get their land back if it would ever work that way. If it did i wouldn't care what they did with it because it was THEIRS to begin with.
Saying someone is Liberal and has an agenda is hypocritical seeing that those making the comment also have an agenda.

I love hunting at LBL and am sick of hearing about the political BS coming from some KY judges decision. I'll just hunt when possible and enjoy the privelege to do so until such time that I can't.
The deer herd won't suffer near as bad as some think.


Like it or not but that federal court judge is is a real liberal, as soon as he got picked to hear the case most people in Lousiville knew he would side with the treehuggers, that is a fact.

The other fact is the Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics is a bunch of far left treehuggers based in Oregon who wants everythinhg to grow back to old growth forests all over the country no mater where thay are. We all learned this 2 years ago when the first lawsuits were being talked about. They are a bunch of hippies, flower childern who hide behind their name much like HSUS.
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#1784108 - 02/12/10 06:52 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: Wildcat]
pastorbmp
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Duck,
No offense my friend, but if you can't see the difference between far, left, uneducated radicals and sound conservation principles, well...there is not much we can do to help you. A big part of the "wild fire" problems in the left coast forests is because of far, left, uneducated, hippie radical groups using the court systems and influencing the Clinton Administration to stop any kind of sound conservation principles. No one is allowed to cut dead wood for firewood (or any other purposes), no fire lanes, etc.

I remember also during the Clinton administration, they would not "ban hunting" in certain national forests, but they enacted certain executive orders to stop repairs or roads and bridges in these national forests. Thus, access to the forests was all but impossible for hunters and anyone else. It was under the guise of keeping these areas "pristine". Now that the can of worms has been opened at LBL, I would not be surprised to see similar type policies enacted there.

Say what you want to, but the Democrat party is the home to anti-(sound) conservationists and anti-hunters. Not all who are in the Dem party are that way, but almost all who are that way are in the Dem party!


Edited by pastorbmp (02/12/10 06:54 AM)
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#1784114 - 02/12/10 06:55 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: pastorbmp]
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Anyone with NWTF or some other organization...can you tell us what we can do to overturn this? Contact our representatives, sign a petition, donate money to fight this? Someone let us know what we can do to overturn this farce.
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#1784129 - 02/12/10 07:04 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: pastorbmp]
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 Originally Posted By: pastorbmp
Anyone with NWTF or some other organization...can you tell us what we can do to overturn this? Contact our representatives, sign a petition, donate money to fight this? Someone let us know what we can do to overturn this farce.


I did send the article to my lawyer last night and we talked in general terms so this is not the offical word, just talk between him and me.

There is not much "WE" can do since the lawsuit is between the Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics and the US Forest Service. So it's up to them if they want to appeal the ruling.

He also told me that the US Forest Service comes under the Dept of Agriculture and that is a Cabinet post under the Executive branch which makes the President the boss. With Obama in office he doubts the Forest Service will do anything to appeal. But we will have to wait and see.
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#1784167 - 02/12/10 07:35 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: Wildcat]
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I wonder if there will be any talk of it at the NWTF convention? Wildcat...keep us posted. Thanks.
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#1784327 - 02/12/10 09:00 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: pastorbmp
Anyone with NWTF or some other organization...can you tell us what we can do to overturn this? Contact our representatives, sign a petition, donate money to fight this? Someone let us know what we can do to overturn this farce.


I did send the article to my lawyer last night and we talked in general terms so this is not the offical word, just talk between him and me.

There is not much "WE" can do since the lawsuit is between the Forest Service Employees for Environmental Ethics and the US Forest Service. So it's up to them if they want to appeal the ruling.

He also told me that the US Forest Service comes under the Dept of Agriculture and that is a Cabinet post under the Executive branch which makes the President the boss. With Obama in office he doubts the Forest Service will do anything to appeal. But we will have to wait and see.



When will hunters and fishermen get their own "whack job legal team" together and start suing the snot out of all these enviro-whack job groups? Let them fund their defense out of their own pockets.

Its about more than some eco-agenda. Most of these little unheard of groups are nothing more than a group of legal hacks who have figured out how to exploit federal laws to rack up hundreds or thousands of hours in legal fees billed to the government. I bet most of the members of FSEEE have never worked for the forest service, never been to LBL, and couldn't tell a hemlock from a Heimlich.

Sportsmen need to put some money in a kitty and try to get that law changed or a new one passed to prevent these types of frivolous lawsuits or at least go to a looser pays system.
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#1784467 - 02/12/10 10:00 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: DUCK37101]
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 Originally Posted By: Locksley
Here we go....again, politics get in the way of deer hunting. Environmental WACK-KOS is what we get from the liberals.
ITS A HEAT WAVE UP NORT the Earth is getting warmer LOL.
When I was in elimentry school the scientests said we were overdue for a ICE AGE , it looks like the old scientests were right and the Vietnam war protesting Environmental WACK-KOS punks are wrong. New record snow fall up north DONT-YA-KNOW.





 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Several of us (Wildcat included) tried to tell the LBL hunters this WAS GOING to happen.
We were written off as behaving stupidly.

Now let me tell you what else is going to happen.
LBL is going to become just another old-growth forest, much like other National Forest lands, i.e. like the Cherokee National Forest (at least in terms of trees). Perhaps I and most of you reading this will be done hunting by the time this happens, as it will be many decades before those open fields become mature forests ---- but that's where this is headed. Perhaps we can turn this around in the coming years, perhaps some legitimate conservation groups such as TWF and the NWTF can help, but for every 3 steps we take forward, going to be a challenge to not take 4 steps backward.

Parts of LBL will be set aside as "Wilderness Areas". (Yes, for those in the know, the definition of "Wilderness" will have to be changed to accomodate smaller acreages.) Hunting will not be allowed in these areas. Eventually, there will be no hunting at LBL, although that may be decades, the handwriting is on the wall. Step-by-step, it is happening. If you want to make it happen faster, just keep voting for those democrats.




 Originally Posted By: plinker22
 Originally Posted By: Locksley
Here we go....again, politics get in the way of deer hunting. Environmental WACK-KOS is what we get from the liberals.


I agree with you Locksley, GURRRRRRR!!!!!!







 Originally Posted By: DUCK37101
I sure hope hunting will still be allowed. I don't mind the crops not being planted. There is much land for the deer to feed on even without crops. I feel that the herd may initially suffer but will adjust just fine over time. I think the hunters will too. Hunters will have to use their woodsmanship skills more now and won't be able to wait at the edge of fields waiting for them to come in and eat corn or soybeans. Deer will adapt and those idiots who want to make this political can do so in some office somewhere. I'll just stick to hunting as usual.




 Originally Posted By: DUCK37101
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
It's been public property since 1964, 46 years.

There are dozens of groups that want to do that very thing, give it back to the owners. Most of them are after the PROFITS it will make, high dollar private hunting clubs for one.

The deer hunting will be better this year and next. After that it will go down hill for the next 3-5 years then level off. The deer numbers will also level off like they do in every old growth forest.





I was making a point that it changed hands due to agenda oriented causes. It didn't belong to anyone but those who owned it to begin with and saying that it may go back to being privately owned would be sweet justice for those who may get their land back if it would ever work that way. If it did i wouldn't care what they did with it because it was THEIRS to begin with.
Saying someone is Liberal and has an agenda is hypocritical seeing that those making the comment also have an agenda.

I love hunting at LBL and am sick of hearing about the political BS coming from some KY judges decision. I'll just hunt when possible and enjoy the privelege to do so until such time that I can't.
The deer herd won't suffer near as bad as some think.






WOW DUCK you better quit drinking that KOOL-AID there dude. The Democratic ANTI-HUNTING ANTI-GUN liberal WACKOS have been nuts for years yet you head in the sand union people will not take your head out of the liberal feed trough.
Wake up guy before you drink to bad bad KOOL-AID with that liberal feed from the slop trough.
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#1784488 - 02/12/10 10:10 AM Re: LBL loses lawsuit [Re: landman]
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 Originally Posted By: landman
The deer hunting will do more than level off in 3 years, Crops have been there since the start, I first hunted LBL back in 1974,
even then most of the deer didn't hang around the fields. There was road hunting back then, yes the fields will grow up, but you here it on TNDEER all the time talking about KY, "its the soil" but its also the crops grown in the dirt make help make it happen.
When fields grow up less will hunt and less does will die, the herd will drop in quality.




YES but DUCK can not see nor hear the evil in ANTI-HUNTING HEARTs.
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