Not knowing history hurts your side of the discussion sir. Florida is the oldest cattle ranching state in the union. Cattle,as well as horses were first brought to Florida before any other state. Dogs have been a part of ranching and hunting in Florida for Centuries. If cattle on particular farms are not "dog broke", it is simply because they have not been raising cattle long enough.

Now on the other hand if the cattle farmers are that worried about their cows with either, Rabbit, squirrel, or duck dogs, and if their cows are that uptight and strung out, then there daily weight gains and miscarriages have got to be pitiful, and there better of selling off their stock and getting a less stressful strain of cattle. Again some cows will freak out and a easily stressed cow/calf/bull/steer/heifer is useless and is nothing more than a heap of leather and bones, but any real cattleman in his right mind will reckonize that and have its butt on next load to the sell barn. I've just never seen cows that jumpy in areas where dogging is common (and legal), cause there used to it, and most will not even stand up if there laying down.

I guess I do not follow what you are saying. How does history have anything to do with what is being talked about. He stated that Florida was one of the BIGGEST not OLDEST, two totally different things. Your statement actually helps prove my point that the livestock in Fl is use to the dogs running deer where here in Tn they are not. Dogs are not a big part of farming here, while most farmers do have dogs they are not out in packs running through the herd.


Here again nothing was said about rabbit, squirrel or duck dogs. They are few in numbers and only go short distances not the same as I would suspect with deer dogs. I have seen deer here run long distances when being chased. Your last statement "I've just never seen cows that jumpy in areas where dogging is common (and legal), cause there used to it," shows what I am trying to say that here the livestock is not use to the dogs chasing as they are in Florida. That is the point I am trying to make.

As far as referring to what real cattleman in their right mind would do, I am a full time farmer that has cattle as a major source of income. We buy weaned calves then double their weight then sell them as the main partof our cattle operation. We have already shipped over 300 head since Christmas. Florida has never been a part of our buying or selling. At any given time there will be between 600 and 1000 head on our place. I would say I do know just a little bit about cattle and how they react to strange things. I also know most farmers in the area and how they think about things like this. That is why I said go do your own survey to see for yourself. Continue on I might learn something about cattle by the time this is over. lol

For the record we all know this is just a waste of internet space cause it will never happen here in Tn.

I think a few of my post talked about that I was not interested in making it legal in TN. I have not owned a dog in 20 yrs since I left home. Just something new to talk about. A little more interesting than baiting and buck limits.

Yeap, I grew up and hunted just 70 miles east of Lake City in Palatka, FL. Them ole boy do get mad if they fell you cut them off to get a shot..

Pun intended, I got no dogs in this fight.

I never shot a deer out of a truck, (in front of dogs), don't know anyone who did. We took stands in the swamp, usually logs to sit on. Where we hunted, there were no roads. The biggest 8-pt I ever killed (264# field dressed, 145") I shot with three hounds tied to my belt, They promptly jerked me off my feet. I was shooting an L.C. Smith 12 double with ought buckshot. I was deep in the Cocodrie Swamp back before it became a beanfield. That deer is also on my wall. I think I was 13.

#2-Florida is and always has been one of the leading cattle states. Have no idea where you are getting your information. Just as Ohio is one of the leading states for raising quarter horses, Florida is I believe the third largest state for cattle. I could be wrong...if so I am wrong.

"We buy weaned calves then double their weight then sell them as the main partof our cattle operation. We have already shipped over 300 head since Christmas. Florida has never been a part of our buying or selling. At any given time there will be between 600 and 1000 head on our place. I would say I do know just a little bit about cattle and how they react to strange things. I also know most farmers in the area and how they think about things like this. That is why I said go do your own survey to see for yourself. Continue on I might learn something about cattle by the time this is over. lol"

Understood, If I do my own survey it may be biased to you, because I will do it in a dog running state, and simply based on those that know of how cows hounds get along and have seen it on a weekly basis, our surveys will be different.
I too am not completely ignorant about cattle, I did ASSUME that we were talking primarily cow/calf operations and not so much grow out. My bad. I was raised around cows and dairies and decided to get a degree in livestock science, but i'm sure if your like a lot cattle farmers9and I'm not saying you are), you think that "all that book learnin dont mean nothin", but even so, I admire anyone in this day and age that can bring in enough income from cattle to make it last and keep the corporate guys out of it.

What it comes down to is different states have totally different interpretations of traditions and other hunting practices. Oh and sorry about quote deletions