#1771822 - 02/07/10 11:07 AM
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Amen! Hunting is no different from any other sport. You release that bowling ball down the lane shooting for 10 pins, not 2 or 3. You step up to the plate wanting to knock the ball out of the park. First downs are great but you win the Superbowl by scoring. In any competitive sport you participate to win, and hunting is just that....you against the deer, only you can pick your opponent. There is absolutely nothing wrong with choosing to play against the best as long as it's done legally and ethically. Hunting is not a right or priviledge...it's an honor.
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#1771918 - 02/07/10 12:50 PM
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Coach and others...PETA is an offshoot of a HSUS. They have been around since early 60's but in the background. Ingrid Newkirk saw the chance to make a few bucks and founded PETA, I debated her on radio in 1966, in Denver, CO. At that time they were concnetrating on rodeos and circuses. The driving force was a guy in Ohio, Alex something whose name I cannot remember. He died a few years ago. I took him on, on the Mike Douglas show back in the 60's.
Now you may be right. PETA as an organization may have been founded ...whenever? But they have been "around" for a very long time. The probelem is, Ingrid is a crazy like a fox. And now they have joined alliances again with HSUS. But they are not a threat.
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#1771950 - 02/07/10 01:09 PM
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Now let me say something here. I am am impressed with some, maybe most of the posts on this thread.
Since 1964, I have been involved in battles with animal activists. That's a long time. I have seen what they can and can't do. I have testified in front of state congressional bodies in six states. I have seen what they can and can't do. I am convinced HSUS and PETA (same thing)are powerless if we...WE vote. If we don't swing the non-hunter into an anti-hunter.
I am not expert, but I can site you chapter and verse on the rise of animal rights organizations in the this country and show you how they did it and why they did it.
The number one mistake most of us make, is confusing local humane societies with national animal rights organizations. They are not at all the same thing. Our local humane groups do some dam good work and need out support. They are not trying to ban anything.
Now the number one goal of a national organization is to raise funds. They do it in a variety of ways. Every one of those ways plays on your emotion. They want to make you cry. And when you stop crying, write the check. When the flat-chested Ingird bared her boobs, it did't raise a dime. But the drowned kitty did.
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#1772002 - 02/07/10 01:44 PM
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BSK , Bowriter , Mike,
The last 4 post on this topic are about the best I've read in my 8 years on this site. Well said men...
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#1772052 - 02/07/10 02:11 PM
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Perspectives from the non-hunters (not anti-hunters)...
Lady my wife works with saw a road killed buck with the antlers cut off. She was disgusted by it...why, because it was only the antlers. When I picked up a road killed doe, Im pretty sure that someone was disgusted by it...but could this thought have entered their mind: "Well, at least it will be eaten".
When it comes down to just the antlers, we are going to swing the non-hunters to the anti-hunter side. Most folks can understand hunting for meet. Many who understand hunting but do not hunt can understand hunting for antlers. But most non-hunters will not be happy with letting the meat go to waste.
Do we want to leave a bad impression in a 6 year olds mind (tongue hanging out, glazed eyes, ripped open and bloody rib cage)? Do we want to create gossip for a 35 year old woman? Do we want to create a scene or image that the anti-hunter can use?
Its our choice on what we do and it is also our responsibility to leave a good impression on the public. How many people have a bad impression of professional sports due to some of the bad actions of they players?
Its all about impressions.
We can argue about it all day long on here and get nowhere. What we do in the field and say in public will determine the future of hunting. Just as many have said, im not worried about the anti's...im worried about the non hunting populace.
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#1772589 - 02/07/10 05:58 PM
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Coach and others...PETA is an offshoot of a HSUS. They have been around since early 60's but in the background. Ingrid Newkirk saw the chance to make a few bucks and founded PETA, I debated her on radio in 1966, in Denver, CO. At that time they were concnetrating on rodeos and circuses. The driving force was a guy in Ohio, Alex something whose name I cannot remember. He died a few years ago. I took him on, on the Mike Douglas show back in the 60's.
Now you may be right. PETA as an organization may have been founded ...whenever? But they have been "around" for a very long time. The probelem
is, Ingrid is a crazy like a fox. And now they have joined alliances again with
HSUS. But they are not a threat.
Not to beat another dead horse but what your saying doesn't add up. I'll let you figure it out but the time line is off, unless you were debating with a minor.
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#1772849 - 02/07/10 07:30 PM
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Coach and others...PETA is an offshoot of a HSUS. They have been around since early 60's but in the background. Ingrid Newkirk saw the chance to make a few bucks and founded PETA, I debated her on radio in 1966, in Denver, CO. At that time they were concnetrating on rodeos and circuses. The driving force was a guy in Ohio, Alex something whose name I cannot remember. He died a few years ago. I took him on, on the Mike Douglas show back in the 60's.
Now you may be right. PETA as an organization may have been founded ...whenever? But they have been "around" for a very long time. The probelem
is, Ingrid is a crazy like a fox. And now they have joined alliances again with
HSUS. But they are not a threat. Not to beat another dead horse but what your saying doesn't add up. I'll let you figure it out but the time line is off, unless you were debating with a minor.
Rich, are you saying that because she was born in 1949 that she couldn't have been debating in 1966? She was almost 17 and I guess you have a point...but, more to the point...
Peta is a ruthless organization..bitchy, pushy, confrontational elitist. In my opinion they will self implode but that is just my opinion....'cause I think the NRA's current recruiting tactics are on a similar par and why I don't belong...self implosion is evident.
There is a middle road where cream rises to the top and not the bottom, where telemarketers don't call and threaten you to join an organization based on fear of losing your hunting rights, based on fear of losing your guns, based on "fear"...there is a middle road where people don't throw fake blood on innocent people wearing fur... or chase young school children home from their favorite farm pond because they took the long route home with a full stringer of bluegill.
I'm not equipped with enough gray matter to tell you what that middle road is but I believe there are those out there that can and will if given the chance...Extreme confrontation on both "sides" is not the cure in my humble opinion. Fear is a police state and not what this country is about..
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#1772898 - 02/07/10 07:51 PM
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Coach, just saying that some people make up half the stuff they say and throw dates and names around like they are truths. I'm sure Bowriter isn't one.
For the record she didn't even get involved with "helping" animals until 70, I believe.
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#1772928 - 02/07/10 08:06 PM
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Coach
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I believe that BoWriter is confusing Ingrid Newkirk with Amy Freeman Lee who was very vocal anti-rodeo advocate in the 60's and 70's.
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#1772976 - 02/07/10 08:19 PM
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Coach-you are absolutely right. Since the coma, my memory is not what it use to be. Now what was Alex's last name. Very famous guy. I believe from Cleveland.
In fact, it just came to me. His name wasn't Alex, it was Celveland Amory.
Folks you have to understand, after 10 days in a coma, you lose a lot of memory. Sometimes it comes back, sometimes not. One thing I know for sure. I debated some idiot broad on a radio station in Denver in the 60's. And I got into it with Cleveland Amory on television and we actually ended up being pretty friendly.
One thing I am also sure of PETA has been around a lot longer than you think. There was was an organization called Putting People First that was fighting PETA many years ago. I can't remember the woman's name name but I worked pretty closely with her for a while. She knew about PETA and it was well before they became public.
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