#1766342 - 02/04/10 07:49 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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Never killed a "big buck", that I didn't eat and enjoy eating it.
Why would "80% of the voting public" have a problem with that?
Because of their impression of trophy hunting, which may not be accurate at all.
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#1766539 - 02/04/10 09:27 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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woodchuckc
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Good point BSK. Impression is alot. My wife is a "nonhunter" that supports hunting. However if I hunted stricty for horns I dare say I would not get to hunt as much (she wouldn't allow me too  However she knows how much I enjoy just getting out and being in the woods. I can't tell you how many times I've came in excited and she says,"but you didn't kill anything." But once she hears my story of what I saw or encountered she sees how I have had a successful hunt. There is nothing wrong with strictly "big buck" hunting but the most of the general population assumes that the deer was harvested for the meat and the rack is just a huge bonus/reward. We need to keep in mind alot of non-hunters ARE NOT anti-hunters and we need to keep them on our side. If we start turning non-hunters into anti-hunters by our methods then we are gonna lose out on alot of stuff.
Excellent, excellent post! I think you summarized things in a nutshell. We (ALL deer hunters) can chose to be pig-headed about out particular hunting philosophy and say that everyone should do what we do, and run the very real risk of losing the support (passive support as well as active support) of the non-hunting majority, or we can find a way to accept that not everyone's hunting goals are the same but all are valid, within the law.
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#1766547 - 02/04/10 09:30 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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Never killed a "big buck", that I didn't eat and enjoy eating it.
Why would "80% of the voting public" have a problem with that?
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#1766551 - 02/04/10 09:31 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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I have to admit, "trophy hunters" take a lot of heat on here and I see very few telling anyone what they should shoot. Not pouncing on you personally Stemwinder, but you must not have been around long! Threads on this site are continuously jammed with posts by frustrated trophy hunters DEMANDING the state change bag limits to force other hunters to shoot less bucks, or antler restrictions to prevent other hunters from killing young bucks so that they personally will have a better chance at a mature buck. These same frustrated trophy hunters denegrate anyone who posts a picture or proudly discusses a buck kill they made if that buck kill doesn't live up to the frustrated trophy hunters standards. Very, very tiresome. But you are right that those type of trophy hunters take a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so!
I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?
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#1766559 - 02/04/10 09:36 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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I have to admit, "trophy hunters" take a lot of heat on here and I see very few telling anyone what they should shoot. Not pouncing on you personally Stemwinder, but you must not have been around long! Threads on this site are continuously jammed with posts by frustrated trophy hunters DEMANDING the state change bag limits to force other hunters to shoot less bucks, or antler restrictions to prevent other hunters from killing young bucks so that they personally will have a better chance at a mature buck. These same frustrated trophy hunters denegrate anyone who posts a picture or proudly discusses a buck kill they made if that buck kill doesn't live up to the frustrated trophy hunters standards. Very, very tiresome. But you are right that those type of trophy hunters take a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so! I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?
Yep.
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#1766614 - 02/04/10 10:11 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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BigWes50
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I have to admit, "trophy hunters" take a lot of heat on here and I see very few telling anyone what they should shoot. Not pouncing on you personally Stemwinder, but you must not have been around long! Threads on this site are continuously jammed with posts by frustrated trophy hunters DEMANDING the state change bag limits to force other hunters to shoot less bucks, or antler restrictions to prevent other hunters from killing young bucks so that they personally will have a better chance at a mature buck. These same frustrated trophy hunters denegrate anyone who posts a picture or proudly discusses a buck kill they made if that buck kill doesn't live up to the frustrated trophy hunters standards. Very, very tiresome. But you are right that those type of trophy hunters take a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so! I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?
I agree, 100%
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#1766747 - 02/04/10 11:10 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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The whole thing is pretty ridiculous. Meat, antlers, hide, hooves, age who cares. But what we all need to consider is exactly what BSK said. In every situation, we need to consider the way we are perceived by non-hunters...not anti-hunters, screw them you are never going to change their minds. But non-hunters will decide our future.
And non-hunters are turned off by "trophy" hunting. And let's be honest, when we say trophy, we are talking about antlers.
As I have said many times, this state's agency has not been tasked with managing for antlers. The vast majority of the deer hunters in this state could care less about a deer's age. And I am one of them. I have had my fill of "trophy" hunting. What this state's agency has has been tasked with is herd health and hunter opportunity. The word trophy doesn't even enter into it.
That is your own, personal problem. Each hunter should dea with it as they see fit.
I spoke yesterday with the owner a vast piece of property I consulted on for several years. They are in the process of shutting it down and selling it off. They planted no food plots this year (had 400 at one time-not 400 acres, 400 food plots)and he said he has never seen so many big bucks. Last year, they killed over 450 bucks off this property. And there is an 8/16 antler restriction, a $200 fine for killing a button and a $500 fine for killing one under 8/16.
But it is private property. Statewide, that would be ridiculous.
To me, it is kinda like the two kids pulling Red Flyer wagons down the street,
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#1766752 - 02/04/10 11:13 AM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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BSK
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I have to admit, "trophy hunters" take a lot of heat on here and I see very few telling anyone what they should shoot. Not pouncing on you personally Stemwinder, but you must not have been around long! Threads on this site are continuously jammed with posts by frustrated trophy hunters DEMANDING the state change bag limits to force other hunters to shoot less bucks, or antler restrictions to prevent other hunters from killing young bucks so that they personally will have a better chance at a mature buck. These same frustrated trophy hunters denegrate anyone who posts a picture or proudly discusses a buck kill they made if that buck kill doesn't live up to the frustrated trophy hunters standards. Very, very tiresome. But you are right that those type of trophy hunters take a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so! I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?
I'm not arguing that a 2 buck limit isn't a legitimate point of debate. It certainly is (although the ultimate effect is debateable). Heck, I support a 2 buck limit. What I'm talking about are the comments and attitudes of some of the strict trophy hunters. A contingent of trophists exists that are incredibly denegrating to anyone that doesn't hunt for the same reasons they do, and blame the state agency and other hunters for their own lack of success. And I say that being a hunter that prefers to hunt and manage for older to mature bucks that hopefully have larger antlers. But what others kill is up to them. If they are proud of their kill, even if it is a yearling spike, I'm thrilled for them.
Go back and read some of the truly ugly threads on buck limits that have occurred over the years.
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#1766902 - 02/04/10 12:35 PM
Re: Don't Target Big Bucks or.......
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I remember those threads Bryan,
I also remember being concerned and AGAINST QDM fearing that it would later become "Trophy Deer Hunting". But then, I simply did not understand that QDM was about a balanced herd, environment, age structure, etc. I have always feared what true TROPHY hunting would (and has) done to the sport I so enjoy. And I am solidly against promoting the concept of "Trophy deer management" on a taxpayer supported level when ther is no solid biological data to endorse it.
It never ceases to amaze me how some hunters think that high scoring, mature bucks are not available in huntable numbers. I literally smile when I read some of the posters on here who have little or no education on management, and even less experience matching witts with mature deer. After the season I've had this year, I am now more certain than ever, that though I've hunted frequently in areas I once thought void of big, mature bucks, I was indeed (and unknowingly) being watched by those very deer.
And I am no match for them!
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