Yall are CRAZY lol!

seems that way sometimes

funny thing is some of the guys leading the attack are trophy hunters

They manipulate the facts

Yeah if a spike and 165in ten point are standing there together I'm sure they's take the spike. "Got too many yearlings out here, not good for the herd". Whatever!

Kill them both!!

Yep. Some people are like some politicians I know. They manipulate the facts and quote out of context just to support their stance.

rolls eyes

Some people are like some politicians I know. They manipulate the facts and quote out of context just to support their stance.

it will be the end of hunting as we know it. That seems to be the concensus around here. Sounds rediculous to me.

it will be the end of hunting as we know it. That seems to be the concensus around here. Sounds rediculous to me.

Have to agree with you also , we need trophy hunters as well as those who could care less about the rack of a buck ,to each his own as long as it is legal !

Somebody tell me why?, trophy hunters take so much heat? What does it matter what you hunt? As long as you are enjoying it, what does it matter?

it will be the end of hunting as we know it. That seems to be the concensus around here. Sounds rediculous to me.

Somebody tell me why?, trophy hunters take so much heat? What does it matter what you hunt? As long as you are enjoying it, what does it matter?

Some of it is because they try to get game managers to support and change laws so that they support "Trophy Hunting" without considering the views and wants of hunters that are not "Trophy Hunters".

It goes both ways, jealousy can be an ugly thing as well as greed!

Which one is jealous and which one is greedy?

Only the person with the problem can answer that! You know who you are and you know what your problem is! Being big enough to admit it is the problem for most!!

Only the person with the problem can answer that! You know who you are and you know what your problem is! Being big enough to admit it is the problem for most!!

who side are we talking about now?I can't keep up .lol One thing I do see thrown around on here a lot is that people are jealous.It seems everytime people disagree someone gets called jealous by the other.Why is this?Just because people don't agree with each other doesn't mean they are jealous.I wish people would stop saying that crap.

I have to admit, "trophy hunters" take a lot of heat on here and I see very few telling anyone what they should shoot. Why do people take things so personal? I see a lot of opinions on here taken as a slap in the face when they're really just someone's opinion. I guess I just see things differently.

I have to admit, "trophy hunters" take a lot of heat on here and I see very few telling anyone what they should shoot.

Never killed a "big buck", that I didn't eat and enjoy eating it.
Why would "80% of the voting public" have a problem with that?

Good point BSK. Impression is alot. My wife is a "nonhunter" that supports hunting. However if I hunted stricty for horns I dare say I would not get to hunt as much (she wouldn't allow me too However she knows how much I enjoy just getting out and being in the woods. I can't tell you how many times I've came in excited and she says,"but you didn't kill anything." But once she hears my story of what I saw or encountered she sees how I have had a successful hunt. There is nothing wrong with strictly "big buck" hunting but the most of the general population assumes that the deer was harvested for the meat and the rack is just a huge bonus/reward.

We need to keep in mind alot of non-hunters ARE NOT anti-hunters and we need to keep them on our side. If we start turning non-hunters into anti-hunters by our methods then we are gonna lose out on alot of stuff.

Never killed a "big buck", that I didn't eat and enjoy eating it.
Why would "80% of the voting public" have a problem with that?

Not pouncing on you personally Stemwinder, but you must not have been around long! Threads on this site are continuously jammed with posts by frustrated trophy hunters DEMANDING the state change bag limits to force other hunters to shoot less bucks, or antler restrictions to prevent other hunters from killing young bucks so that they personally will have a better chance at a mature buck. These same frustrated trophy hunters denegrate anyone who posts a picture or proudly discusses a buck kill they made if that buck kill doesn't live up to the frustrated trophy hunters standards.

Very, very tiresome.

But you are right that those type of trophy hunters take a lot of heat around here, and deservedly so!

I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?

I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?

I don't understand why people proposing lower buck limits is perceived as telling people what buck to shoot. With a 2 buck limit, which I see a lot of people backing, could we still not kill the buck of our choice?

I guess I would consider myself a so called trophy hunter if I had to break it down. I try my best to only shoot 3.5 and older bucks and let dozens of young bucks walk every year, but still kill several does for meat. That being said, I try to congratulate pretty much anybody on here that kills any deer that makes them happy. I have no problem with any deer that anybody kills. I dont try and tell anybody what to shoot, I dont try to get TWRA to lower the buck limits, and I dont try to get Antler restrictions enacted. I think TN has very good hunting statewide right now, mature bucks included and I actually like the 3 buck limit statewide and dont want it lowered!
How can this be, im a trophy hunter, and to hear many speak here Trophy hunters are the devil who try to dictate what everybody else does!! Not everybody feels the same way, just because of the way they hunt!
I will also have to disagree somewhat with the general non hunting public hating trophy hunters. I will have to say that the Non hunters I know, most would much rather see a Trophy killed and its picture displayed, 100% more than seeing a young doe or especially a spotted fawn killed and picture displayed!
Grouping everybody in one bunch or the other simply wont work, as their are all kinds of people on all sides of the fences!
I will also stand with an earlier post, stating that Jealousy is a huge factor for hunters. Many many hunters would love to be succesful enough to be strict trophy hunters, and enjoy success on good bucks year in and year out. This goal however is out of reach for many if not most deer hunters, not because of skill, because of a lack of committment needed. Now I will say this is not the case for all hunters, as some can get it done but simply like killing any deer just as well, but these hunters are rare.
Oh well just another page in the book of hunter division within our own ranks, which is exatly what will be the demise of hunting if their is one, not anybody on the outside, but from the inside out is where the problem is biggest!

Because of their impression of trophy hunting, which may not be accurate at all.

Lets look at the other side of the coin: What would the 80% of the voting public think if they see a spotted fawn in the back of your truck?

Lets look at the other side of the coin: What would the 80% of the voting public think if they see a spotted fawn in the back of your truck?

Exactly the same thing. That is why I said we need to pay attention to all of our actions. We need to understand how we are perceived by others. I have been preaching this for three decades. It still has never sunk in. I have pretty much given up.

Never killed a "big buck", that I didn't eat and enjoy eating it.
Why would "80% of the voting public" have a problem with that?

There is not one thing wrong with being a trophy hunter. Just shut up and do it and don't act it is some kind of badge of merit. It is not a matter of PC. It is a matter of common sense. We don't need to applogize for being hunters. We just need to think about where our future lies and how our words and actions effect them.

Try this on for size. If you really care what all those anti's and "neutral" folks think, then stop your hunting practice altogether. That way you know you're not stepping on anyone's toes. How's that for pc'dness? Good grief.

killing an animal for vanity.

Mup- I have said many times, screw PETA. I couold care less aboout Peta. I have been battling them since 60's and have come to realize they aint jack. It's nopt about bowing down. It's about plain common sense and respect. The anti's are not going to hurt us. All they can do is rattle sabers.

WE are going to hurt us because we will fall on our sword.

Good point BSK. Impression is alot. My wife is a "nonhunter" that supports hunting. However if I hunted stricty for horns I dare say I would not get to hunt as much (she wouldn't allow me too However she knows how much I enjoy just getting out and being in the woods. I can't tell you how many times I've came in excited and she says,"but you didn't kill anything." But once she hears my story of what I saw or encountered she sees how I have had a successful hunt. There is nothing wrong with strictly "big buck" hunting but the most of the general population assumes that the deer was harvested for the meat and the rack is just a huge bonus/reward.

We need to keep in mind alot of non-hunters ARE NOT anti-hunters and we need to keep them on our side. If we start turning non-hunters into anti-hunters by our methods then we are gonna lose out on alot of stuff.

how did this turn into a wife thread.boy could i talk about that.lol

Dang kenbob yoy must be a mind reader.I was just in there making deer chili.

BTW, Peta hasn't been around since the 60's 79-80 maybe but not the 60's, just saying.

Well, actually, I think I did understand it correctly. And my post was meant to reflect that if we continue to , then we might as well throw in the towel, b/c eventually, we'll end up not being able to hunt at all, legally, b/c it won't be pc, ie the tailgate thing.

We are talking about how we hunters should be careful NOT TO DO things that could turn non-hunters INTO anti-hunters, and actions like baiting and a lust for only antlers are two things that WILL turn non-hunters into anti-hunters.

We are talking about how we hunters should be careful NOT TO DO things that could turn non-hunters INTO anti-hunters, and actions like baiting and a lust for only antlers are two things that WILL turn non-hunters into anti-hunters.

I agree with the points you make about tropy hunting and baiting BSK, but I also think that the "shoot 'em and stack 'em" segment of hunters are as much a detriment to hunting as any group. I'm talking about the "hunters" that only enjoy pulling the trigger, like to shoot as many animals as possible, and could care less about the meat.

I completely agree Quailman.

In fact--and I hate to bring this up because the motivations of other hunters is none of my affair--I absolutely cring any time the "Why do you hunt?" thread gets restarted and I see hunters posting things like "Because I like to see them flop." Now I'm hoping most of these posts are in jest, because beyond the terrible image this portrays of hunters to non-hunters, I would have to seriously question the mental stability of anyone who truly enjoyed the death throes of any living thing.

She wouldn't allow you to hunt. You need to renegotiate your contract my man.

Your wife wouldn't allow you to? You need to renegotiate your contract, my man.

"Whack'em and stack'em"
"Bang flop"
"If its its brown its down". "Just aim for the spots".

This is the sentiment and the phrases that will kill the public image of deer hunting, not the quest for a mature, educated, massive antlered buck

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In fact--and I hate to bring this up because the motivations of other hunters is none of my affair--I absolutely cring any time the "Why do you hunt?" thread gets restarted and I see hunters posting things like "Because I like to see them flop." Now I'm hoping most of these posts are in jest, because beyond the terrible image this portrays of hunters to non-hunters, I would have to seriously question the mental stability of anyone who truly enjoyed the death throes of any living thing.

I do totally agree with this. But the image of these guys on TV are tending to lean to "Horn Hunting" too and thats not good IMO.

I completely agree Quailman.

In fact--and I hate to bring this up because the motivations of other hunters is none of my affair--I absolutely cringe any time the "Why do you hunt?" thread gets restarted and I see hunters posting things like "Because I like to see them flop." Now I'm hoping most of these posts are in jest, because beyond the terrible image this portrays of hunters to non-hunters, I would have to seriously question the mental stability of anyone who truly enjoyed the death throes of any living thing.

The good thing about hunting is that a meat hunter will shoot a big buck that comes by but a trophy hunter won't shoot a small buck that comes by... The meat hunter thanks you because that gives him the chance to shoot that buck also...

The one thing I learned from deer hunting at an early age is you can't worry about what people think as long as its legal....

Agree 100% The old saying is a Bird in Hand ... Is meat in the freezer...

Back to the original post. I never thought wanting to kill a big racked buck would ever be the demise of our sport.

Coach and others...PETA is an offshoot of a HSUS. They have been around since early 60's but in the background. Ingrid Newkirk saw the chance to make a few bucks and founded PETA, I debated her on radio in 1966, in Denver, CO. At that time they were concnetrating on rodeos and circuses. The driving force was a guy in Ohio, Alex something whose name I cannot remember. He died a few years ago. I took him on, on the Mike Douglas show back in the 60's.

Now you may be right. PETA as an organization may have been founded ...whenever? But they have been "around" for a very long time. The probelem
is, Ingrid is a crazy like a fox. And now they have joined alliances again with
HSUS. But they are not a threat.

Not to beat another dead horse but what your saying doesn't add up. I'll let you figure it out but the time line is off, unless you were debating with a minor.