#1759291 - 02/01/10 11:53 AM
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eddie c
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bw, not sure how to solve your problem and not sure if this is against the law, but purchase a paintball gun and a couple different colored paintballs. After that, let your imagination run...
I heard it can be considered harazzing wildlife by shooting them with paint balls.
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#1759377 - 02/01/10 12:54 PM
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bowriter
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Coach- I agree with you 100%. A food plot, if you hunt it, is nothing more than baiting. But that is not what we have here. What we have is home owners in a subdivision putting out corn just so they can watch the pretty wildlife. Therefore, we cannot shoot them.
These deer/turkeys do not need supplmental feeding. They need killing. A week or so ago, I pulled a 17-year old girl out of a car after she hit a deer. I thought she was dead. Fortunately she was only scared. The deer came through the winshield. It is just a matter of time.
Rumor has it, in the near future, we may get some relief on the turkey problem.
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#1759435 - 02/01/10 01:33 PM
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Setterman
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I'm sorry..but, if deer really aren't that hard to kill then why the foodplots? I really think those that take such a strong stand on baiting and then post umpteen posts on food plots are hypocritical. Personally, I don't bait and that means I don't call it by any other name like "foodplot"....
In my opinion when you put in food specifically to attract and feed deer you are baiting. If I grow corn for the market and the deer get in it that's the nature of the business....If I grow biologic..well, there is no market for biologic, it's there to attract deer, grow bigger horns...and in the end shoot the the deer you are feeding. My food plots are for the overall heatlh of the animals on my property and to provide some diversity of habitat as well. I have not killed a deer off of a food plot in 5 years, and don't plan on doing it anytime soon. There is no comparison b/w food plots and baiting in terms of benefits for wildlife. I have to disagree with you again....if someone puts out a pile of corn to help the overall health of the deer and doesn't hunt over it...it's still baiting.
A pile of corn isn't necessarily making deer healthier. I seriously doubt the Ronnie who pours a pile in front of his stand is doing so because he cares about the herd health. And once the season is over so is the bait pile.
I say fine with the baiting, but it must be done year round. I would say that with the cost of corn that it would get old quick for most.
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#1759459 - 02/01/10 01:45 PM
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Coach
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I'm sorry..but, if deer really aren't that hard to kill then why the foodplots? I really think those that take such a strong stand on baiting and then post umpteen posts on food plots are hypocritical. Personally, I don't bait and that means I don't call it by any other name like "foodplot"....
In my opinion when you put in food specifically to attract and feed deer you are baiting. If I grow corn for the market and the deer get in it that's the nature of the business....If I grow biologic..well, there is no market for biologic, it's there to attract deer, grow bigger horns...and in the end shoot the the deer you are feeding. My food plots are for the overall heatlh of the animals on my property and to provide some diversity of habitat as well. I have not killed a deer off of a food plot in 5 years, and don't plan on doing it anytime soon. There is no comparison b/w food plots and baiting in terms of benefits for wildlife. I have to disagree with you again....if someone puts out a pile of corn to help the overall health of the deer and doesn't hunt over it...it's still baiting. A pile of corn isn't necessarily making deer healthier. I seriously doubt the Ronnie who pours a pile in front of his stand is doing so because he cares about the herd health. And once the season is over so is the bait pile. I say fine with the baiting, but it must be done year round. I would say that with the cost of corn that it would get old quick for most.
Yep, I can pretty much agree with you here...my point was taken a little too literally but OK...but one final word...I think that the foodplotter who says he is doing it for "herd health" is in denial...herd health may be a bi-product of food plotting and make it feel all warm and cozy but killing a big buck is the primary product...Planting foodplots would also get old without the primary product...a big buck taken on your own land or lease...jmo
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#1760905 - 02/01/10 10:38 PM
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Bertman
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Hope it becomes legal.I have my legal team working on it as I type this.
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#1760933 - 02/01/10 10:59 PM
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RKenney
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Baiting is not a magic pill for a trophy buck, if that's what you
want. If you want meat, a 1.5 buck or a young doe can usually be
killed over a nice greenbriar patch rather easy like.
If you spread corn, a mature buck or doe will be eating supper
well after dusk.
I used to spread corn around my yard, just to watch the deer. I
observed an interesting thing. The deer would come and eat some
corn for about 5 minutes and then they would browes on weeds,
vines, blackberry bushes and other browes for a long, long, time.
Lesson learned for me is, create more natural native feed, and
go thick.
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#1760935 - 02/01/10 11:03 PM
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buckdead
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Rumor has it, in the near future, we may get some relief on the turkey problem.
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#1760952 - 02/02/10 12:35 AM
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bowriter
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Rumor has it, in the near future, we may get some relief on the turkey problem.
Are they gonna trap them? Ive always wondered if they take those birds to public land when they do that.
I'm not going to say at this time. But I will say, we have a good WO and good biologist in this county and a few neighbors who are willing to cooperate.
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#1761018 - 02/02/10 06:26 AM
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Coach
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BW, I was just thinking about how they get rid of geese on the golf course near me and maybe that would work for you on turkey and deer. They use something similar to a firecracker, it's in a cannister but it sounds like a loud firecracker...the geese get run off enough and they find some place else less noisy.
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#1761041 - 02/02/10 06:50 AM
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Wes Parrish
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Is there some kind of big push on to legalize baiting in TN? Seems to be a lot of baiting threads. I'm working my butt off behind the scenes to make even feeding illegal.
I'm not aware of there being any "big push" that's any different from on going.
There are always some hunters pushing to make baiting legalized in TN. One trend I've observed: Some hunters go to Canada or Texas and find it easy to kill a trophy buck over a bait pile. Then they come back to TN and find the hunting is realitvely tough. So they start demanding we need to allow baiting in TN.
But what they're missing most is that it wasn't the baiting that made their Texas or Canada hunt so successful --- it was more an issue of less annual hunting pressure and nearly all younger bucks being passed up by the hunters hunting before them. On the other hand, if baiting were legalized in TN, we would just end up with fewer older bucks, as most TN hunters wouldn't be passing up those 110-class 2 1/2-yr-olds --- bucks they eagerly passed over a bait pile in Canada or Texas, but would pull the trigger on in TN.
I'm sure some will point out that KY allows baiting and has more older bucks than TN ---- but it's because of their short gun season and 1-buck limit, not the baiting. In fact, it may be that because of the baiting, they NEED a 1-buck limit and short gun season.
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