#1757323 - 01/31/10 03:48 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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gator-n-buck
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3 Buck limit is fine with me since most hunters in TN never tag out their limit... So in the end... it really doesn't matter...  I see this statement alot on here and it doesnt make ANY sense.
It does make sense when you listen to the guys (in the know) that are on here telling us that this will never be KY and that there are more mature bucks being harvest then ever (stats). I guess we could always dream... Kind of like winning the lottery..
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#1757333 - 01/31/10 03:50 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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redblood
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Beekeeper- do you shoot immature bucks?? Your answer will help me understand where you are coming from.
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#1757371 - 01/31/10 04:08 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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Are you trying to say that a 1.5 year old buck has a different genetic structure than he would have at an older age.
Not at all... the difference is not genetic, but rather the overall herd is benefited health-wise by allowing yearling bucks to grow an additional year. It IS a fact, well supported by studies in the whitetail world. When yearling bucks do not participate in the rut (which is what normally happens when there are adequate numbers of mature bucks on a property) they subsequently become healthier in body-weights and antler characteristics than those yearlings who spent the fall chasing does and losing 30% of their body weights.
Now there may be some slight GENETIC benefit as well, as nature seems to select for the healthiest bucks to breed if adequate number of bucks exist.
So, in short, there is no debate whether herd health is improved in the passing of yearling bucks... the only real debate is whether a 1 or 2 buck limit will allow that to happen.
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#1757392 - 01/31/10 04:20 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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Tree Tramp
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3 Buck limit is fine with me since most hunters in TN never tag out their limit... So in the end... it really doesn't matter... I see this statement alot on here and it doesnt make ANY sense. It does make sense when you listen to the guys (in the know) that are on here telling us that this will never be KY and that there are more mature bucks being harvest then ever (stats). I guess we could always dream... Kind of like winning the lottery..
No it doesnt make sense. Not one bit. Even BGG will tell you that a statewide one buck limit leaves more bucks in the herd post hunt to advance to older age structures. Would KY's buck harvest #s increase if they went to a 3 buck limit next year? For sure. One could also postively assume that if TN's buck limit was one the overall buck harvest #s would steadily decrease. Many more factors come into play here than just harvest #s. One buck limit states dont limit their hunters to one buck because they are mean or dont know what they are doing. They do it because of the goals that they have as a state and use the tools at hand to get those goals. Buck limits are a very important management tool from the property owner to the state level and how they are used IS very important. To suggest that they arent very important or that it doesnt really matter if they are 1 or 3 doesnt make ANY sense.
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#1757401 - 01/31/10 04:25 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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Tree Tramp,
You have still not shown how a lower limit would benifit the deer herd. You have only shown how it would help "Trophy Hunters".
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#1757458 - 01/31/10 05:10 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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8 POINTS OR BETTER
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The age structure of the herd is good the way things are now.
Is good compared to what?
Better than it used to be or good as in what a natural herd would be?
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#1757480 - 01/31/10 05:22 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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gator-n-buck
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All I know is that several hunters and myself could of tagged out on the 3 buck limit the last couple of years but did not... I also did a TN deer tread that asked "Who tagged out this year". Out of 50 hunters that posted, only a few Tagged out... I think we put to much worry in things that don't matter... Hunters do a good job on there own with trigger control... You could probably make it a 10 buck limit and very few hunters will kill three bucks a year... The freezer and wall is only so big... LOL
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#1757500 - 01/31/10 05:28 PM
Re: Why do some people want a 1 or 2 buck limit?
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Beekeeper
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The age structure of the herd is good the way things are now. Is good compared to what? Better than it used to be or good as in what a natural herd would be?
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