#1742714 - 01/23/10 08:48 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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deerchaser007
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Thanks for your explanation on mature buck management. I figured thats the way you were thinking,.. and i fully agree.
I didn't know about any wrong numbers. I thought everything was accurate( to the best of the states knowledge). I probably missed something!! I'll admit,. i thought AL numbers were really funny. And GA with a 45 percent yearling harvest with antler restrictions,.. shocking!!
I also agree when you look at the overall data we got it good in tn. BUT,.. when you look deeper in those numbers,.. you notice the good and the bad. A overall 45 percent yearling buck harvest is good. BUT,.. to get that number you have to have a bad number made good with a great number. Example,.. humphreys county has a 30 percent yearling harvest while cannon co. has a 60 percent. Clearly,.. the 60 percent is on the high side,. while 30 is great. Wouldn't it be better if it were just 45 percent all across the board in both counties?Same can be said with the 3.5+ buck harvest. Humphreys has around 14 percent,.. while cannon has about 5 percent. Same can be said also with the doe harvest statewide. Its easy to get praise when you say we have a 45 percent statewide doe harvest,.. looks great don't it. BUT,.. how does it look when you say 35 percent of that 45 came from less than 1/3 the counties in the state? This is just my opinion though!! I'm a nobody.... and guess i look at things alittle different.
Edited by deerchaser007 (01/23/10 08:53 PM)
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#1742789 - 01/23/10 09:35 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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Setterman
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I have real issues with QDMA's doe slaughtering mentality. Far too many crock deer managers went full bore into their doe herds and did serious damage to the overall herd dynamics. I lost faith quickly when they pushed that agenda, and never really regained it, this report just furthers my hunches about them as a whole.
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#1743196 - 01/24/10 09:24 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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committed the cardinal sin of science, knowingly compared incomparable data. They knowingly compared "apples to oranges" data
LOL I have seen several charts and graphs from state biologist that use the same data to compare each state.
And then they discussed exactly why there may be differences between the data. They explained what may and may not be comparable and th ramifications of that.
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#1743223 - 01/24/10 09:33 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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deerchaser007,
Without question, every state has pockets of "good" to "very good" and pockets of "poor" to "very poor." The real question is, why? In some situations, more micro-management might help. In others, not so much. In essence, why are the poor to very poor areas the way they are? What factors are driving those results? Unfortunately, in many cases it is factors out of the control of the wildlife agency.
In many cases "poor" results are due to one of three factors or a combination of these factors: 1) low deer density (for a variety of reasons and the most common is that the habitat simply won't support more deer); and/or 2) high hunter density (in relation to the deer density); and/or 3) lack of adequately distributed security cover habitat (too much wide open habitat with few thickets/forests for deer to hide in--no "sanctuary").
These most common problems are out of the wildlife agency's control.
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#1745107 - 01/25/10 11:31 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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I would not call it micro management,.. maybe call it unit management. I used our counties as examples only, just because that is what we both could relate to. BUT,.. if you look at the numbers; my general area, including cannon, bedford, moore, franklin,coffee,warren,rutherford, wilson,... they all tend to have have between a 45 to 68 percent 1.5 buck harvest. BUT,.. in your area , humphreys,hickman,perry,stewart, montgomery, dickson,.. they all trend to the 20 to 35 percent 1.5 y.o. total buck harvest.
I wonder if your 3 listed problems could be linked between the differences in our areas of the state,.. even on a large scale with many counties involved,.. and can anything be done?? I believe unit L could be broken up into smaller units and managed slightly differ,.. and this would lower the 1.5 y.o. buck harvest in those areas and create a much healthier age structure. Of course,. i'm just thinking out loud,.. i would like to see some past data comparisons between our areas to see if this has always occurred,.. and would like to see more data to relate to you 3 listed problems. In which,. when the thermal data comes out,. if its done correctly,. we should have some good data to tell us about the difference in our areas,.. as far as the density difference.
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