#1740723 - 01/22/10 02:53 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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And I know the author prefaced the report by saying this is for "fun," but how many average Joe QDM hunters are going to understand that this report is meaningless? I could see the masses using this report as a launching pad to "make changes". Again, I just think it was very irresponsible. It was just added to the list of "misinformation" that is out there.
That is why I will not read it. Why put something in your mind that you know from the beginning is not factual material. It's like if you lie to yourself enough you will start believing your on lies. I guess I have come down on some of these forum surveys hard because I know they show nothing. All they do is give someone who doesn't know better more fuel for the fire.
There is some things I think could be done different in this state but I will not use bogus info from an outside source to argue it. Educating hunters is the best thing to do but the problem is many are not open to learning. People from both sides want what they want for themselves and could care less about the other side.
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#1740802 - 01/22/10 03:37 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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Don't know how you can make any decisions on a state that dosn't even check in deer like MS and others I'm sure. At least TN has accurate records, though I'm sure not 100% accurate, but I would bet pretty accurate. Comparing us to a state that "takes their best guess" is meaningless.
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#1740828 - 01/22/10 03:49 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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As I've said in prior posts, there are lies, da^n lies, and then there are statistics. It seems to me that before anyone gets the high speed wobbles over this, we need to understand the methodology behind the data. It could be that the numbers are very misleading. On the other hand, if there is something to be learned from what is occuring in other states, then we should be open to that too. This is obviously a complex and emotionally charged topic and my point in bringing it up was not to find fault or assign blame, but to start a discussion. Hopefully, it can stay civil.
Edited by Pursuit Hunter (01/22/10 03:50 PM)
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#1740833 - 01/22/10 03:53 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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The report appears accurate to me.
Didn't it say we only killed 32% does, I thought we killed around 40% in 2008.
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#1740835 - 01/22/10 03:55 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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In addition to the Mississippi data not being anywhere near complete, one has to also consider that the regs were just changed in 09/10 to protect yearling buck. In other words even if the data was complete, it in now way would give you a reading on herd dimensions in regards to age class.
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#1740853 - 01/22/10 04:02 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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The report appears accurate to me.
Didn't it say we only killed 32% does, I thought we killed around 40% in 2008.
We killed 43% does in 2008 and 45% does in 2007.
My bad when I said the data was correct. I was only looking at the yearling buck harvest percentage they reported.
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#1740868 - 01/22/10 04:05 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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In addition to the Mississippi data not being anywhere near complete, one has to also consider that the regs were just changed in 09/10 to protect yearling buck. In other words even if the data was complete, it in now way would give you a reading on herd dimensions in regards to age class.
Excellent point. The ranking they created is for which state has the best harvest data statistics. It has nothing to do with ranking herd health or with deer management programs.
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#1740871 - 01/22/10 04:07 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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In addition to the Mississippi data not being anywhere near complete, one has to also consider that the regs were just changed in 09/10 to protect yearling buck. In other words even if the data was complete, it in now way would give you a reading on herd dimensions in regards to age class. Excellent point. The ranking they created is for which state has the best harvest data statistics. It has nothing to do with ranking herd health or with deer management programs.
That's the problem, (well one of the problems), with this report, one would assume that this is directly related to such.
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#1740880 - 01/22/10 04:10 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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In addition to the Mississippi data not being anywhere near complete, one has to also consider that the regs were just changed in 09/10 to protect yearling buck. In other words even if the data was complete, it in now way would give you a reading on herd dimensions in regards to age class. Excellent point. The ranking they created is for which state has the best harvest data statistics. It has nothing to do with ranking herd health or with deer management programs.
I think you are 3/4 correct, however one of the four criteria was WMU's at goal, meaning that the deer herd is in balance with the environment. Whether that has been accurately measured is another question.
Edited by Pursuit Hunter (01/22/10 04:11 PM)
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