#1741775 - 01/23/10 08:30 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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I've never been very impressed with the QDMA's "Annual Reports." I don't think they are professionally analyzed or written.
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#1741779 - 01/23/10 08:32 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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The point that was earlier, and it's a valid point, is when you publish a report like this and rank the states as a group with varying data criteria, it can be very misleading.
It's EXTREMELY misleading, and that's why I'm not a fan of these reports.
In essence, the data is NOT comparable, yet that's exactly what they do with little explanation.
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#1741839 - 01/23/10 08:54 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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It's EXTREMELY misleading, and that's why I'm not a fan of these reports.
That's why I was extremely disappointed. For a number of years we've been trying to advance the deer management knowledge of the common hunter. This does more to set it back than any store-bought, magazine article since it comes from what many believe to be the leading source of information.
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#1741910 - 01/23/10 09:30 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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It's EXTREMELY misleading, and that's why I'm not a fan of these reports.
That's why I was extremely disappointed. For a number of years we've been trying to advance the deer management knowledge of the common hunter. This does more to set it back than any store-bought, magazine article since it comes from what many believe to be the leading source of information.
Agreed. I certainly have my "disagreements" with some the organization's actions.
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#1741960 - 01/23/10 10:13 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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This is all goo input for those of us that wouldn't have known better.
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#1741996 - 01/23/10 10:46 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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Thanks BSK and BGG,
I'm glad someone will set us straight. Its hard for someone like me who is just getting started with management.
Thanks Again....
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#1741997 - 01/23/10 10:47 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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westtntoms,
The QDMA has gone through several phases of growth, from a small grassroots organization fueled by Southeastern university wildlife researchers and professors, to what it is today--a rapidly growing economic and political force in the hunting world. However, some of us "purists" question how the organization made that transition.
A concious decision was made within the organization to make this transition, and that required "opening the door" to more market-driven people, especially in the leadership. Because it is "where the money is," this new leadership opened the door to a different management philosophy. Although they don't completely embrace this group, the "anything is acceptable in the pursuit of trophy antlers" trophyist set was accepted into the organization, again, because that is where the money is. In my opinion, this group's over-zealous and questionable management practices are given too much of a voice in the organization. But because they have greatly benefitted the organization monetarily, many are hesitant to criticize their management practices and "antler-centric" view of hunting.
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#1742028 - 01/23/10 11:18 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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BSK,
thanks for that insight. I've seen this happen all too often in the business world. Eventually, the $ side wins out and before you know it you're left with a totally different organization, all has changed but the name.
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#1742037 - 01/23/10 11:20 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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I also want to clarify my stance on QDMA.
I am a full supporter of folks who want to practice QDM on their own properties and I have led many folks to seek info from the QDMA. However, I've been having more and more problems with the organization and its followers trying to steer statewide or regional management plans. QDM is only accomplished when it is mutually accepted by all participants. Laws forcing QDM are usually uncalled for and for the most part, ineffective. Many times the "QDM laws" restrict hunters beyond the biological need for the area. In other words, it's not based on science (data). And that's exactly what was supposed to be the foundation of QDM.
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