#1741099 - 01/22/10 06:33 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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8 POINTS OR BETTER
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It could be that the numbers are very misleading. On the other hand, if there is something to be learned from what is occuring in other states, then we should be open to that too. If you don't know how misleading the numbers are then how can you learn anything? Learning from false info can do far more damage than doing nothing. What false info. Mississippi as an example. There is no required check in process, their data must only come from dmp properties
That why they put these beside the data:
* data not available
** data from antler-point-restriction counties (non-antler-point- restriction counties)
*** data from check stations and DMAP
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#1741119 - 01/22/10 06:43 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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westtntoms
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The point that was earlier, and it's a valid point, is when you publish a report like this and rank the states as a group with varying data criteria, it can be very misleading. It doesn't matter if you footnote the fact that data collection varies by state, especially when you rank the states as a group. You're comparing apples and oranges. Besides, they don't provide info on how the data varies by state which in many cases it varies greatly, (as in MS where the data collected is a very small % of the total #'s).
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#1741474 - 01/22/10 10:03 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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It could be that the numbers are very misleading. On the other hand, if there is something to be learned from what is occuring in other states, then we should be open to that too. If you don't know how misleading the numbers are then how can you learn anything? Learning from false info can do far more damage than doing nothing. What false info. Mississippi as an example. There is no required check in process, their data must only come from dmp properties, plus the fact that regs were just changed this year to protect yearling bucks. I don't follow how a change in regulations this year would affect 2008 data. As I said in an earlier post, it only affects the manner in which the data is used. As in using the data to extrapolate the overall health and balance of the herd.
I still don't get your point about how a change in regulations this year would affect the QDMA report.
For anyone who is not familar with MS new antler restrictions, they are designed to protect all 1.5 year old bucks by setting minimum inside spread or minimum main beam length. Here is a link http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/default.aspx .
Personally, I like their approach. I'm guessing they have some sound scientific research to support that management approach. I'll have to do some digging to see if they have published anything.
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#1741490 - 01/22/10 10:19 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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RKenney
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Personally, I don't pay too much attention to "reports" from any
publication or individual, as far as deer hunting goes. I go into
the woods to hunt the deer I want to shoot and not worry.
Thanks TWRA for the good job you all are doing. Keep it up!
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#1741617 - 01/22/10 11:36 PM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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It could be that the numbers are very misleading. On the other hand, if there is something to be learned from what is occuring in other states, then we should be open to that too. If you don't know how misleading the numbers are then how can you learn anything? Learning from false info can do far more damage than doing nothing. What false info.
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#1741655 - 01/23/10 04:55 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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westtntoms
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I don't follow how a change in regulations this year would affect 2008 data. [/
I still don't get your point about how a change in regulations this year would affect the QDMA report.
For anyone who is not familar with MS new antler restrictions, they are designed to protect all 1.5 year old bucks by setting minimum inside spread or minimum main beam length. Here is a link http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/default.aspx .
Personally, I like their approach. I'm guessing they have some sound scientific research to support that management approach. I'll have to do some digging to see if they have published anything. [/quote]
one year under new regs does not get her balanced as states that have been protecting yearling bucks for years. I also like the new move, I haven't said otherwise. Regarding whether or not they have published any data, the only data they have is from dmap which represents a very small % of the state.
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#1741664 - 01/23/10 05:29 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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For anyone who is not familar with MS new antler restrictions, they are designed to protect all 1.5 year old bucks by setting minimum inside spread or minimum main beam length. Here is a link http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/default.aspx . Personally, I like their approach. I'm guessing they have some sound scientific research to support that management approach. I'll have to do some digging to see if they have published anything.
They did it to allow more bucks to reach 2.5 which would then allow more bucks to survive to reach maturity. The simple goal is to have more mature bucks statewide.
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#1741735 - 01/23/10 08:05 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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For anyone who is not familar with MS new antler restrictions, they are designed to protect all 1.5 year old bucks by setting minimum inside spread or minimum main beam length. Here is a link http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/default.aspx . Personally, I like their approach. I'm guessing they have some sound scientific research to support that management approach. I'll have to do some digging to see if they have published anything.
From what I was told, the main reason Mississippi instituted a statewide antler restriction is because they had no way to limit the number of bucks a hunter could shoot due to their "no tagging" system. Although they were able to set an annual buck limit, since hunters did not have to tag or report the bucks they killed there was no way enforce or even know what was being killed. Hence they set the antler restriction to allow bucks a chance to get a year older. It was implemented more as a stop gap measure to ensure some would live rather than to improve herd health.
They did it to allow more bucks to reach 2.5 which would then allow more bucks to survive to reach maturity. The simple goal is to have more mature bucks statewide.
I'm not sure they were thinking of maturity yet, they were just trying to prevent too many bucks from being killed each year.
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#1741745 - 01/23/10 08:09 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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For anyone who is not familar with MS new antler restrictions, they are designed to protect all 1.5 year old bucks by setting minimum inside spread or minimum main beam length. Here is a link http://home.mdwfp.com/wildlife/species/deer/default.aspx . Personally, I like their approach. I'm guessing they have some sound scientific research to support that management approach. I'll have to do some digging to see if they have published anything. They did it to allow more bucks to reach 2.5 which would then allow more bucks to survive to reach maturity. The simple goal is to have more mature bucks statewide. I guess the best way to say this is, that's "sort-of" true. From what I was told, the main reason Mississippi instituted a statewide antler restriction is because they had no way to limit the number of bucks a hunter could shoot due to their "no tagging" system. Although they were able to set an annual buck limit, since hunters did not have to tag or report the bucks they killed there was no way enforce or even know what was being killed. Hence they set the antler restriction to allow bucks a chance to get a year older. It was implemented more as a stop gap measure to ensure some would live rather than to improve herd health.
I couldn't imagine us having a no tagging system, we wouldn't have any 1.5year old bucks left!
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#1741749 - 01/23/10 08:10 AM
Re: 2010 QDMA Whitetail Report
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I couldn't imagine us having a no tagging system, we wouldn't have any 1.5year old bucks left!
That's exactly what Mississippi was going through and why they needed to protect a cohort of bucks.
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