#1733753 - 01/19/10 08:33 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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Either or, Genetics is the KEY! Genetics only provides the blueprint and potential. Nutrition allows for actual expression (growth) of potential. If nutrition isn't adequate, a buck cannot express much of his potential.
And if age isnt attained, again he cant reach his potential without adequate age. It takes all 3 for a buck to be all he can be, in our eyes anyway!
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#1733816 - 01/19/10 09:03 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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You can feed a buck anything you want. No matter what you feed them, you still have genetics and age to consider.
Regardless of genetics they will still benefit from good nutrition. In other words if a deer has the genetics to be a 120" class he may only reach 90" with poor food. The same is true for one that has 180" potential but never passes 120" due to low quality food. Not much you can do about genetics but you can help get the most out of what you have. True you have to let them live long enough to reach their maximum potential. I not talking about reaching their maximum. I saying nutrition will improve they at all age levels. Regardless of age they still should have better racks at any given age if they eat what helps them grow racks.
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#1733956 - 01/19/10 10:09 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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My inlaws in south Texas let them reach maturity but if the are 8 pts and mature they are cull bucks. IMO very nice bucks but they cull them.
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#1733995 - 01/19/10 10:24 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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Either or, Genetics is the KEY! Genetics only provides the blueprint and potential. Nutrition allows for actual expression (growth) of potential. If nutrition isn't adequate, a buck cannot express much of his potential. And if age isnt attained, again he cant reach his potential without adequate age. It takes all 3 for a buck to be all he can be, in our eyes anyway!
Absolutely Winchester. A buck needs maturity and good nutrition to be able to express the majority of his genetic potential.
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#1734008 - 01/19/10 10:30 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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And there is not one single person on this earth who can identify a cull buck.
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#1734024 - 01/19/10 10:36 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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And there is not one single person on this earth who can identify a cull buck.
Oh yeah you can, any fully mature buck with a small rack is a cull buck, IMO anyway! This is the only cull that exists IMO!
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#1734061 - 01/19/10 10:54 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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And there is not one single person on this earth who can identify a cull buck.
That depends on the definition of "cull" and the goals of the program.
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#1734087 - 01/19/10 11:10 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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And there is not one single person on this earth who can identify a cull buck. Oh yeah you can, any fully mature buck with a small rack is a cull buck, IMO anyway! This is the only cull that exists IMO!
Wouldn't a fully mature buck be desired regardless of the rack? In other words, are you not gonna kill a fully mature buck with a nice rack?
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#1734097 - 01/19/10 11:19 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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And there is not one single person on this earth who can identify a cull buck. Oh yeah you can, any fully mature buck with a small rack is a cull buck, IMO anyway! This is the only cull that exists IMO! Wouldn't a fully mature buck be desired regardless of the rack? In other words, are you not gonna kill a fully mature buck with a nice rack?
Yup. Unless you are in a highly controlled situation (high-fence) and buck age structure is not an issue. But at the same time, a smaller antlered mature buck would be removed ("culled") for the exact same reason most does would be removed (to control herd density). In that situation, most does removed would also be considered "cull" deer--an undesirable deer removed to control herd density.
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