#1731899 - 01/18/10 08:03 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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There is some good evidence that nutrition plays a significant role in a buck's expressed basic frame. In essence, a buck that has the genetic capability of being a basic-frame 10 or 12 can remain a basic-frame 8, even at maturity, if nutrition is not optimal.
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#1731907 - 01/18/10 08:09 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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Somewhere I have pictures of a deer that at 3.5 was an 8, 4.5 8, 5.5 8, then in b/w 5.5 and 6.5 food plots were implemented on this property during the summer months, and at 6.5 he was a mainframe 10 pt.
I do not think there are any set rules when it comes to growing antlers, except that they reach full potential the momment their heart stops beating.
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#1731941 - 01/18/10 08:37 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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I agree there are absolutely no definite rules, you will always have exceptions, but I have discovered that the mainframe rarely changes much once they reach maturity.
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#1732006 - 01/18/10 09:16 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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There is some good evidence that nutrition plays a significant role in a buck's expressed basic frame. In essence, a buck that has the genetic capability of being a basic-frame 10 or 12 can remain a basic-frame 8, even at maturity, if nutrition is not optimal.
BSK,
Would this be a case that supplement feeding would be a good thing?
Still trying to learn....
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#1732014 - 01/18/10 09:19 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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I agree there are absolutely no definite rules, you will always have exceptions, but I have discovered that the mainframe rarely changes much once they reach maturity.
Unless nutrition changes significantly. I've see seen sudden and major changes in nutrition cause drastic changes in antler configuration even at maturity.
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#1732018 - 01/18/10 09:22 AM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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There is some good evidence that nutrition plays a significant role in a buck's expressed basic frame. In essence, a buck that has the genetic capability of being a basic-frame 10 or 12 can remain a basic-frame 8, even at maturity, if nutrition is not optimal.
BSK, Would this be a case that supplement feeding would be a good thing? Still trying to learn....
The needed improvements in nutrition can be often be achieved through improved habitat. Although without question, high-yield food plots can do wonders in this department. I can't see myself EVER recommending supplemental feeding (feeders/troughs) in TN.
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#1732285 - 01/18/10 12:29 PM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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A mainframe 8 once it reaches maturity (4.5) will likely stay a mainframe 8 until it starts to decline. Now we're talking 'mainframe'... they will often add kickers, stickers, droptines, etc the older they get.
A young mainframe 8 (1.5 or 2.5 yrs old, but esp 1.5) has the potential to become a mainframe 10 with a little more age.
Ditto (mainframe)
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#1732303 - 01/18/10 12:35 PM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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#1732343 - 01/18/10 01:02 PM
Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt?
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I'm trying to find the pictures of an ex-pet buck I know of. The buck was raised on an all-you-can-eat corn diet. At 7 1/2 he was still growing about the best rack he ever had--a 110-class basic-frame 8. Then he was turned over to a deer breeder and switched to a high-protein diet. At 8 1/2 he grew a monstrosity of a rack (170+ basic 12-point plus kickers if I remember correctly).
Although that example is an extreme in terms of difference in nutrition, it does go to show that "basic-frame," even at maturity, can still be driven by nutritional intake.
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