#1732335 - 01/18/10 12:53 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice. But there are some techniques for achieving those goals that have been shown to be better than others. I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed, and the central theory has produced very well each time... Every property is different and IMO having a "one size fits all" approach to land management is a quick way to fail IMO.
Ummm, exactly. How many times have you tried both, as a comparison? Just because one technique "works" doesn't mean it is the best. You need to test and scientifically analyze comparitive results.
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#1732337 - 01/18/10 12:57 PM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed...
Are you doing this professionally?
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#1732442 - 01/18/10 02:02 PM
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Setterman
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally?
Yup, and have been for about 12 years now.
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#1732459 - 01/18/10 02:15 PM
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Setterman
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice. But there are some techniques for achieving those goals that have been shown to be better than others. I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed, and the central theory has produced very well each time... Every property is different and IMO having a "one size fits all" approach to land management is a quick way to fail IMO. Ummm, exactly. How many times have you tried both, as a comparison? Just because one technique "works" doesn't mean it is the best. You need to test and scientifically analyze comparitive results.
Fortunately most of the properties I manage have ample scattered small cover areas pre-management. We usually just add a large centralized area to the mix, and see drastic results from the addition of the area. Very very rarely I have ever walked onto a piece of property and had monoculture type stands to contend with.
One exception on my property here, I took a uniform 550 acre tract of land which was unbroken hardwoods. Clear cut 70 acres in the middle, and laid out 4 food plots on 4 pseudo corners. The ridges and knobs I left as mature oak forest and have let the 30 acre pasture revert on one end of the property. I have zero need for fescue.
The only "thick" cover is in the 70 acre cut over, and there is little if any "thick" cover on the bordering properties. The only issue I have run into here is 2 seasons ago when we had a total mast failure and the deer had to travel long distance to find any food, thus it had a massive impact on my overall herd health. However, that problem is now solved. Deer movement is consistent, and harvesting mature bucks in the past has been relatively easy. It works here, and it works back home where this strategy has been tried as well.
I am not saying the scattered approach as you describe is not effective, it is just that I have had many successes using a centralized approach.
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#1732850 - 01/18/10 06:44 PM
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Thanks for the input guys? BSK the different areas would probally work better on our land simple because we have about 9 different large fields. If I were to cut the fields what areas would be the best to leave grown up? (fence rows, tree lines, or the middle).
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#1732943 - 01/18/10 07:34 PM
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BSK, i have hunted 36 or so years and i can only say you are dead on. I am amazed at how little mature bucks or even md aged bucks move during daylight.....and my most successful time is pre rut.....bar none.
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#1733631 - 01/19/10 07:24 AM
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DA, you have a way with word.
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#1734039 - 01/19/10 10:42 AM
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Thanks for the input guys? BSK the different areas would probally work better on our land simple because we have about 9 different large fields. If I were to cut the fields what areas would be the best to leave grown up? (fence rows, tree lines, or the middle).
monsterbuck07,
Those scattered old fields give you a great advantage. Creating cover from old fields is without question the easiest and fastest way to get cover. There are many techniques for increasing the weed (forb) and woody growth of old fields in contrast to undesirable grass species.
You can also convert those fields to a mixture of Native Warm-Season Grasses (NWSG) and forbs. These type of fields are the easiest to maintain over time (fire and some soil disturbance).
If a woody/forb native growth is chosen, the trick is developing the best maintanence program. Each field will need to be restarted/disturbed on a rotational basis once every 3 or 4 years.
I would PM Quailman and discuss options. He is an expert in these matters. He can also turn you on to some great research conducted by Craig Harper at UT concerning the timing and method of field distrubance to produce the desired species composition.
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#1734057 - 01/19/10 10:52 AM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally? Yup, and have been for about 12 years now.
All I have to say is "Wow..."
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#1734121 - 01/19/10 11:37 AM
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