#1730905 - 01/17/10 06:33 PM
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to actually get quality,mature deer to stay on 4 to 500 acres of land with no main food source except for mass acorn crop? LAnd basically is evened out with 8 - 9 large fields and the rest hardwoods. I want to imoprove the deer habitat but not sure where to start since the land is under CRP? Any suggestions on some things you would do?
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#1730930 - 01/17/10 06:41 PM
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To stay on maybe not but to use, sure. I know of a place that is 19 acres and i usually kill a good deer on it. But usually one.500 acres is alot of land.
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#1730944 - 01/17/10 06:45 PM
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Well 500 is plenty of land for me the problem is I just have not seen mature deer consistently. I see them on cameras but its ane shot and gone kind of thing. Curious on what I can do to help the cause.
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#1730974 - 01/17/10 06:54 PM
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To stay on maybe not but to use, sure.
Yup....In MOST cases, no they will not stay on 500 acres...They may spend the majority of their time on that amount of land, but they wont stay on that land at all times. They will rome around just about everywhere. The best way to have them spend a good majority amount their time on the 500 acres is to have the 3 basic things deer need...1) Food 2) Cover 3) Water
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#1731008 - 01/17/10 07:05 PM
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Well there lies the problem...we have all three...just want to know what kind of food I can get away with being under CRP I think we have enough acorn crop to feed a small village.
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#1731124 - 01/17/10 07:36 PM
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Our place for instance, is 400 acres. It is loaded with white and red oaks....They are the main trees. Can we get pictures of big bucks and mature bucks? NO problem...but they are all at night. With our place losing cover more and more every year and 75% of our property is bordered by thick clearcut and pines. They come on our place to feed at night, then head back for cover during daylight. We are cutting approximately 50-60 acres here in the next month, so hopefully they will hold to the place more. Cover is vital!
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#1731141 - 01/17/10 07:38 PM
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Cover ,cover ,cover,the food is secondary,create cover for them
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#1731154 - 01/17/10 07:41 PM
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PM BSK<I bet he will say to create cover
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#1731288 - 01/17/10 08:08 PM
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So would the best answer be to let our fields grow up to create cover. The fields get head high and briar filled in a years growth. Would I need to put any cut lanes through the fields?
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#1731752 - 01/18/10 06:15 AM
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Cover is King for that sized property monsterbuck07. Not only for attracting mature bucks to the property but getting them to stay during the pressure of hunting season.
Now getting mature bucks to move during daylight? I know of nothing that will do that. It is the nature of mature bucks to move primarily at night. In most instances, your best chance at mature bucks is to hunt just before the peak of the rut, when bucks are cruising constantly in search of the first estrus does.
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#1731766 - 01/18/10 06:33 AM
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Sure, provide them an area in the middle of the property where they have cover and peace, and you can hold them. If there is no seclusion areas then they are likely to not stay permanently on that property.
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#1731808 - 01/18/10 07:08 AM
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Sure, provide them an area in the middle of the property where they have cover and peace, and you can hold them. If there is no seclusion areas then they are likely to not stay permanently on that property.
I wouldn't limit it to the center of the property. When it comes to cover, scatter it around and leave it as sanctuary (stay out of it as much as possible and definitely don't hunt in it). I would rather see 10 five-acre patches scattered around than one fifty-acre patch in the center.
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#1731857 - 01/18/10 07:38 AM
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If I had 400 acres, I would rather have 50-100 right dead center which was thicker and meaner then anything other then deer and rabbits would be willing to enter. On two sides of that, I would have 3-5 acre food plots to give the deer a consistent food source, and I would not hunt those plots, except maybe the last day of the season.
The reason I want the sanctuary in the middle is the attempt to keep the animals away from the edges or other properties where they might be killed. It also, makes hunting them easier IMO, as it gives me a central location which is not easily disturbed because of its size.
I know your philosophy works, but the above has worked well for me, to each their own. And the property dictates the plan as much as anything.
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#1731869 - 01/18/10 07:43 AM
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Good advice given here, as COVER IS KING without a doubt!
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#1731879 - 01/18/10 07:48 AM
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For my property in Fentress I have no food plots. I logged it a few years ago so the acorn mast is limited. I have two fields, one is about 19-20 acres and the other is 6-8 acres surrounded by woods. The larger field is part way up the mountain. I hunt the deer cycles. I have on any given year 6-11 funnels where deer come down from higher up or come up from lower down and sooner or later they will cross or walk down the edge of that field. The field is mostly fescue. By hunting the funnels and figuring the cycles (when the deer come through) we have been successful in killing some large and mature bucks with no food there for them. Key is to leave the field with some cover and cut shooting lanes instead of completely bush hogging the entire field. So, I can use a tree stand and hunt them near a funnel or hunt the field. I don't try to keep the deer there, I simply hunt them when they are.
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#1731893 - 01/18/10 08:00 AM
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Having a large sanctuary at the center of a property ABSOLUTELY works. It will draw and hold mature bucks, especially during the hunting season. But I've seen both the centrally located large sanctuary and small scattered sanctuary approaches used, and from a hunting success perspective, the scattered smaller sanctuaries work better. And I think it works better for a couple of reasons.
Now it's impossible to know why deer do what they do. We can't get inside their heads and understand their decision-making process. But I believe having a large single section of cover produces male-male social conflicts. In essence, numerous mature bucks won't happily share the same patch of cover, whether it is 5 acres or 100 acres. Any size single section of cover can become dominated by a single mature buck. Yet if cover is broken into many sections, you can have more mature bucks inhabiting the same area without as many social conflicts, each one with their own patch of cover for the day or possibly even the entire season.
In addition, I find large sections of cover more difficult to hunt. The large majority of mature buck kills are going to occur around that cover as bucks enter or leave, and a very large section of cover can have an infinite number of preferred entrance and exit routes. It also appears that mature bucks can more easily spend the majority of their daylight hours inside the thick cover when that section of cover is very large.
Again, one large centrally located section of sanctuary cover WILL work. It WILL attact and hold mature bucks, especially during hunting season. But killing the bucks using that cover becomes more difficult the larger the size of the sanctuary, and I strongly believe that having multiple sanctuaries can hold more mature bucks on a single property, even if those sanctuaries are small.
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#1731910 - 01/18/10 08:12 AM
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice.
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#1732009 - 01/18/10 09:17 AM
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice.
But there are some techniques for achieving those goals that have been shown to be better than others.
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#1732255 - 01/18/10 12:15 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice. But there are some techniques for achieving those goals that have been shown to be better than others.
I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed, and the central theory has produced very well each time. Is it great for every property, heavens no. Hence the reason why I said originally the property and situation should dictate the tactic used. Every property is different and IMO having a "one size fits all" approach to land management is a quick way to fail IMO. But for the places I have managed, drawing and holding deer in the center of the property has worked extremely well, and the dividends have been dramatic over the years.
Once again. Different strokes for different folks.
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#1732305 - 01/18/10 12:36 PM
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One large sanc in the middle of a property will work to an extent, but having several small to medium sized areas scattered about a property will work better IMO as well, and actually has worked better for me over the years on a few different places. Each and every buck is different in his habits and his tolerance level of intrusion, whether by humans or other mature bucks. Some bucks like and need a few different safe or core areas to use on a regular basis, where others may be content relying on the same core area day in and day out. Having several of these areas also allows you to be able to penetrate them once a year without doing major damage, as the buck(s) has several other areas close by to feel safe in. Im a firm believer that most bucks will not totally abandon their bedroom from one single intrusion each year, and I use this to my advantage and learn everything I can on one single trip through these areas each year, as low impact as possible and is done before Turkey season around antler shedding time before greenup. This is a great way for me to learn things about how a buck is using specific areas, and how to set up on his exploits unnoticed. Scouting is the difference between success and failure, especially on new ground where you dont have the luxury of the last 10 or 15 years of documented deer movement to tell you where to hunt. Going in to a new area you have never saw and figuring out where to hunt, and being succesfull in short week or 10 day period is much harder than hunting the same ground for years on end, but the challenge is what keeps us coming back!
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#1732335 - 01/18/10 12:53 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice. But there are some techniques for achieving those goals that have been shown to be better than others. I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed, and the central theory has produced very well each time... Every property is different and IMO having a "one size fits all" approach to land management is a quick way to fail IMO.
Ummm, exactly. How many times have you tried both, as a comparison? Just because one technique "works" doesn't mean it is the best. You need to test and scientifically analyze comparitive results.
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#1732337 - 01/18/10 12:57 PM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed...
Are you doing this professionally?
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#1732442 - 01/18/10 02:02 PM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally?
Yup, and have been for about 12 years now.
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#1732459 - 01/18/10 02:15 PM
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Different strokes for different folks. The bottom line, is that having cover and sanctuary areas is key to having/killing big bucks. The way that you implement that strategy is your choice. But there are some techniques for achieving those goals that have been shown to be better than others. I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed, and the central theory has produced very well each time... Every property is different and IMO having a "one size fits all" approach to land management is a quick way to fail IMO. Ummm, exactly. How many times have you tried both, as a comparison? Just because one technique "works" doesn't mean it is the best. You need to test and scientifically analyze comparitive results.
Fortunately most of the properties I manage have ample scattered small cover areas pre-management. We usually just add a large centralized area to the mix, and see drastic results from the addition of the area. Very very rarely I have ever walked onto a piece of property and had monoculture type stands to contend with.
One exception on my property here, I took a uniform 550 acre tract of land which was unbroken hardwoods. Clear cut 70 acres in the middle, and laid out 4 food plots on 4 pseudo corners. The ridges and knobs I left as mature oak forest and have let the 30 acre pasture revert on one end of the property. I have zero need for fescue.
The only "thick" cover is in the 70 acre cut over, and there is little if any "thick" cover on the bordering properties. The only issue I have run into here is 2 seasons ago when we had a total mast failure and the deer had to travel long distance to find any food, thus it had a massive impact on my overall herd health. However, that problem is now solved. Deer movement is consistent, and harvesting mature bucks in the past has been relatively easy. It works here, and it works back home where this strategy has been tried as well.
I am not saying the scattered approach as you describe is not effective, it is just that I have had many successes using a centralized approach.
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#1732850 - 01/18/10 06:44 PM
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Thanks for the input guys? BSK the different areas would probally work better on our land simple because we have about 9 different large fields. If I were to cut the fields what areas would be the best to leave grown up? (fence rows, tree lines, or the middle).
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#1732943 - 01/18/10 07:34 PM
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BSK, i have hunted 36 or so years and i can only say you are dead on. I am amazed at how little mature bucks or even md aged bucks move during daylight.....and my most successful time is pre rut.....bar none.
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#1733631 - 01/19/10 07:24 AM
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DA, you have a way with word.
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#1734039 - 01/19/10 10:42 AM
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Thanks for the input guys? BSK the different areas would probally work better on our land simple because we have about 9 different large fields. If I were to cut the fields what areas would be the best to leave grown up? (fence rows, tree lines, or the middle).
monsterbuck07,
Those scattered old fields give you a great advantage. Creating cover from old fields is without question the easiest and fastest way to get cover. There are many techniques for increasing the weed (forb) and woody growth of old fields in contrast to undesirable grass species.
You can also convert those fields to a mixture of Native Warm-Season Grasses (NWSG) and forbs. These type of fields are the easiest to maintain over time (fire and some soil disturbance).
If a woody/forb native growth is chosen, the trick is developing the best maintanence program. Each field will need to be restarted/disturbed on a rotational basis once every 3 or 4 years.
I would PM Quailman and discuss options. He is an expert in these matters. He can also turn you on to some great research conducted by Craig Harper at UT concerning the timing and method of field distrubance to produce the desired species composition.
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#1734057 - 01/19/10 10:52 AM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally? Yup, and have been for about 12 years now.
All I have to say is "Wow..."
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#1734121 - 01/19/10 11:37 AM
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#1734155 - 01/19/10 12:09 PM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally? Yup, and have been for about 12 years now. All I have to say is "Wow..."
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#1734302 - 01/19/10 01:19 PM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally? Yup, and have been for about 12 years now. All I have to say is "Wow..."
Are you seriously going to attack me personally because we have a difference of opinion on this subject?
Funny how similar this is to the Global Warmimg Loonies, the scientists who were skeptical were ridiculed by those pushing their agenda, degraded and attacked. Amazing the lengths that some folks will go to, to try and better theirselves.
BSK, nowhere have I come at you, so what gives you the right to do so in return? Just because we have a different approach, doesn't mean that one person is wrong while the other is right. I certainly never eluded to that, so why are you?
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#1735484 - 01/19/10 09:37 PM
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I agree with both of your post and see the reasoning behind both. Question for either of you, I like the idea of rotating fields. Could I email or PM both of you a picture of the land and see what your opinions would be on where you would start. I know you both have plenty of things going on, however im young and wanting to get things headed in the right direction. Thanks! Just let me know if you dont mind and ill try to get you both some aerial pics that show the fields.
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#1735545 - 01/19/10 09:56 PM
Re: Is it possible...
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Setterman
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I am happy to offer up my advise, and I would also advise you that BSK is a very very well respected authority of deer mgt. His words should never be overlooked, except when he uses them to attack others for no apparent reason 
Seriously send it on, and I will be happy to look it over, and if you would like I would be happy to meet you to look at the property up close as well. BTW I would do that for free, and would gladly extend a hand if needed.
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#1736036 - 01/20/10 08:35 AM
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I can only speak for my firsthand experiences on lands that I have managed... Are you doing this professionally? Yup, and have been for about 12 years now. All I have to say is "Wow..." BSK, nowhere have I come at you...
You're kidding, right Captain Hook...?
The guy who spent inordinate amounts of bandwidth on this site attacking the science of wildlife management and those who practice it?
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#1736070 - 01/20/10 08:51 AM
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so is Setterman Captain Hook?
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#1736480 - 01/20/10 12:07 PM
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Tell you what I'm About as lost as last years easter eggs on the whole Captain Hook deal. To get back on topic would it benefit more to leave and entire large field standing, bushhog half, or leave standing and cut out paths? Really interested in this and actually think that it may work well on our land. Setterman I will PM you some pics as soon as i can upoad them onto my computer. Thanks.
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#1736518 - 01/20/10 12:24 PM
Re: Is it possible...
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Sent you a PM monsterbuck07.
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#1736544 - 01/20/10 12:37 PM
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Tell you what I'm About as lost as last years easter eggs on the whole Captain Hook deal. To get back on topic would it benefit more to leave and entire large field standing, bushhog half, or leave standing and cut out paths? Really interested in this and actually think that it may work well on our land. Setterman I will PM you some pics as soon as i can upoad them onto my computer. Thanks.
I would personally leave the entire field standing, and if you plan to hunt it instead of using as a sanctuary, I would cut some very discreet shooting lanes, but be careful to not cut too much, as anything that will make them feel exposed will not work on the kind of deer you want to kill.
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#1736569 - 01/20/10 12:46 PM
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Tell you what I'm About as lost as last years easter eggs on the whole Captain Hook deal. To get back on topic would it benefit more to leave and entire large field standing, bushhog half, or leave standing and cut out paths? Really interested in this and actually think that it may work well on our land. Setterman I will PM you some pics as soon as i can upoad them onto my computer. Thanks.
I'm still laughing Monsterbuck....What I do is cut my fields in spring, then again in July before the bees get into the ground...then a couple of weeks before the gun opener I cut shooting lanes. This has worked best for me over the last 20 years. If you cut the entire field the big boys will not come through or in it until after dark...at least on my farm that's how it is...As I said before, I plant no food plots and do nothing special other than what I just told you. I bow and gun hunt the farm...not only the fields but the woods also
Edited by Coach (01/20/10 12:50 PM)
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#1736659 - 01/20/10 01:29 PM
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To get back on topic would it benefit more to leave and entire large field standing, bushhog half, or leave standing and cut out paths? Thanks.
You said you had 8 or 9 fields didn't you?...Do a little bit everything, mix it up, experiment a bit, don't do the same thing to all of em....thats what i'd do anyways...see what works for you....
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#1736879 - 01/20/10 03:44 PM
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This shurely can't be the same piece of property that mis-managment on the state level was forcing you hunt out of state is it?... 
You do realize that I have and hunt properties in numerous states, don't you? That piece of ground here is on the mends now, after I worked diligently with my neighbors during the summer to come to an agreement which will benefit us all in the long run. I also, have said several times since I returned a few weeks ago, that I was wrong about the state of the deer herd in TN, hundreds of research hours by me and others proved my theories dead wrong. You can't eat crow any better then I have since my return a few weeks back.
I did not come back to argue and fight, that is not who I am, and last year went off in an entirely different direction then I would normally.
Carry on the childish bickering, but count me out, those days are over.
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#1737038 - 01/20/10 05:05 PM
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I did not come back to argue and fight...
...those days are over
Really...?
Do leopards change their spots?
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#1737200 - 01/20/10 06:17 PM
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This shurely can't be the same piece of property that mis-managment on the state level was forcing you hunt out of state is it?... You do realize that I have and hunt properties in numerous states, don't you? That piece of ground here is on the mends now, after I worked diligently with my neighbors during the summer to come to an agreement which will benefit us all in the long run. I also, have said several times since I returned a few weeks ago, that I was wrong about the state of the deer herd in TN, hundreds of research hours by me and others proved my theories dead wrong. You can't eat crow any better then I have since my return a few weeks back. I did not come back to argue and fight, that is not who I am, and last year went off in an entirely different direction then I would normally. Carry on the childish bickering, but count me out, those days are over.
Hey don't get so defensive, all I done was ask you what I thought was a simple question  . I ain't bickering over anything,....I was curious about the statement you made thats all.....and right here it is..
One exception on my property here....,
...Now see, silly enough, I thought with this site being named TNDEER...That when you stated my property HERE, that you meant the property in TN...
Aside from being the superior hunter that you are it doesn't surprise me that havesting mature bucks in any situation for you would be relativley easy, but that particular statement in itself just seemed to have contradicted yourself on an earlier position...which honestly, really doesn't surprise me to much...
And yes, I realize alot of things I can assure you...but don't hinge your credintials on what you feel are mine, or anyone elses lack of understanding...
I don't care how much crow you feel you've eaten. You were the one that killed and cooked that bird, nobody else....and as far as I'm concerned, there is still a bite or two left on your plate......
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#1737225 - 01/20/10 06:25 PM
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This shurely can't be the same piece of property that mis-managment on the state level was forcing you hunt out of state is it?... You do realize that I have and hunt properties in numerous states, don't you? That piece of ground here is on the mends now, after I worked diligently with my neighbors during the summer to come to an agreement which will benefit us all in the long run. I also, have said several times since I returned a few weeks ago, that I was wrong about the state of the deer herd in TN, hundreds of research hours by me and others proved my theories dead wrong. You can't eat crow any better then I have since my return a few weeks back. I did not come back to argue and fight, that is not who I am, and last year went off in an entirely different direction then I would normally. Carry on the childish bickering, but count me out, those days are over.
If you would have just left that judgmental last line off....
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#1737664 - 01/20/10 10:10 PM
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BSK- If the leopards spots only got muddy for a short period of time, they certainly can become clean after a good bath. MY stint into pessimism and bitterness was over a one season debacle of events, that I handled like an infant, rather then an adult.
tndrbstr- I do manage my property here with a central thick area, I left the high ground in mature woods. It has worked well, for me on that property. I also manage the lands I hunt in Miss that way, along with one other tract we handle for a landowner. Many properties we work do not need any thick areas created because of the timber rotation. Same can be said for the property we started work on last year for some guys in GA, it has plenty of secondary growth from recent select harvests, and thinning operations.
I am far from a big buck master, or anything close. I have had quite a bit of success over the years, along with most who spend as much time as I do in the woods, and many who spend half as much.
All of this strife over me having a different of opinion with BSK, amazing, I never criticized his approach just cited a different approach, and look at the vitriol which spewed forth.
Fellas, life is too short to be like this.
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#1737873 - 01/21/10 07:10 AM
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I find it amazing that you think that the "vitriol" (scathing criticism) is over you having a differing opinion than BSK...honestly, I do. Oh, well, good luck to you
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#1738428 - 01/21/10 12:07 PM
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Anyone who wants to see "vitriol" needs to go back and read most of the posts made by Captian Hook.
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#1738525 - 01/21/10 01:18 PM
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I was an English/Literature major and a double minor in Humanistic Psychology and Journalism and I had to look it up...not a word I use every day but then again...
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#1738573 - 01/21/10 02:06 PM
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Anyone who wants to see "vitriol" needs to go back and read most of the posts made by Captian Hook.
I do not disagree, even a little. And once again I was wrong in my actions last year, and the break I received was well deserved. No one should act the way I did, and I will not behave like that ever again. That is not who I am as a person, and is not how I conduct myself in any situation.
I also, do not hold grudges, I forgive and forget, probably too much. But that's just me.
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#1738582 - 01/21/10 02:17 PM
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Is it possible...that the original poster's questions were answered and there is no further need of this thread?
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