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#1737026 - 01/20/10 05:01 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: Double-D-Team]
bowriter
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Where is page 6? What is your question? Of course I'll answer it but I have no idea what you are talking about.
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#1737032 - 01/20/10 05:02 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: bowriter]
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Joke, right?
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#1737062 - 01/20/10 05:23 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: bowriter]
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But I'll tell you what i will do. I'll answer the question on a typical 8 and a non-typical 10. Now folks, I have been up since 11 last night and I am not going to goback and correct typos.

First understand the terminology. Typical has two different meanings. It has a biological meaning and it has a meaning for scoring purposes. One supposes the average achievement. The other supposes symetry between antler sides.

Okay. In English. For record purposes, typical is the difference between one antler and another and odd points. That's fine. It is also totally different from biological typical.

Until we started messing with nutrition, a typical, mature, whitetail buck had eight points. Therefore, a ten point, regardless of symetry, was, in biological terms, a non-typical.

You see, it is a matter of context. When P&Y and B&C decided to set standards, they made them up. They measured against perfection-a really stupid thing to do. That is where the term "Typical" came from. But biologically, a typical whitetail buck, at maturity, without protection has eight points. Why without protection? Because until less than two decades ago, they had no protection. For that reason, very few reached 10 points. Why do I say typical? Because that was the standard. We did not use record book terminology. We used biological data. Crazy concept, huh?

Now that isn't theory. Then came QDM and TDM and the term typical changed in biological terms...not record keeping terms. Bucks were protected. Some of them...not all, became 10-point bucks that by recrod keeping organizations were typical.

So today, if you kill a buck with 10 points on each side that match perfectly, it would be a typical...right? Wrong. It would be an exception.
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#1737080 - 01/20/10 05:32 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: ghosthunter]
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 Originally Posted By: ghosthunter
Is a main frame 8pt always a main frame 8pt or can they turn into a main frame 10pt with age?


This was a main frame 7pt at 4.5 years old. Picture took in February.



As a 5 year old, he had 10 "typical" points (record keeping of course Bowriter) with one scorable kicker.



I don't think his nutritional intake was much different the 2nd year. We didn't feed anything, just our plots and the fact he aged a year.

I have one shed off the 7pt year. He scored 135" when he was killed.
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#1737127 - 01/20/10 05:49 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Just your plots????

What is your point?
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#1737151 - 01/20/10 06:00 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Where is page 6? What is your question? Of course I'll answer it but I have no idea what you are talking about.


Depending on your settings. He may have apage six but it may be page four for you.

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#1737160 - 01/20/10 06:04 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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I only have page three.

But I do have a question for Alabama Swamper. Are you saying the deer in the first picture is the same deer in the second picture one year later?
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#1737195 - 01/20/10 06:16 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: bowriter]
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Guys I'll catch you tomorrow. I'm beat. I'm going to bed.
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#1737219 - 01/20/10 06:23 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Guys I'll catch you tomorrow. I'm beat. I'm going to bed.


QUITTER!!!!!!!! \:D ....









jk..hope you sleep well..... \:\)





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#1737222 - 01/20/10 06:24 PM Re: Once an 8pt always an 8pt? [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Where is page 6? What is your question? Of course I'll answer it but I have no idea what you are talking about.


Depending on your settings. He may have apage six but it may be page four for you.


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