#1724910 - 01/14/10 07:25 AM
Re: SHOT Show in Vegas
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The ATA vendors will always complain about the people that don't "belong" in there. Funny part is every year you will read on bowsite and archerytalk about someone that got a badge and is in there taking pics and keeping everyone "updated" on what is cool and what is not. They, to me, are more valuable than any writer because they are non-biased. That is what we need instead of some media dude that has to stroke the manufacturers to stay in good with them. Reading a review on the latest bow in a archery mag is crap, why? because if they are truthfull they fear the loss of advertisement. Truth be known take the media out and replace them with half as many knowledgeable consumers giving the reviews on product and it will be a much better show.
And that's why I don't read printed reviews anymore. The author is usually either getting paid to write the review or gets the product free for writing it.
I exclusively use reviews by consumers on internet talk forums. Although even that isn't immune from "crap." Some manufacturers use the anonymity of the internet to masquerade as consumers to hype their product. But good talk forum owners/administrators keep a close eye on this. In addition, being caught doing this harms a manufacturer's reputation dramatically, so top-drawer manufacturers shy away from these gorilla marketing tactics.
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#1724918 - 01/14/10 07:32 AM
Re: SHOT Show in Vegas
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Ask them what will sell more product for them a picture on some website or an article in a national magazine.
Unfortunately for writers, a good customer review on the internet will sell more product, and the manufacturers are beginning to realize that.
Now huge money thrown into an advertising campaign still works [see how Cuddeback is still in business], but consumer reviews on the internet are the wave of the future.
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#1724921 - 01/14/10 07:36 AM
Re: SHOT Show in Vegas
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The ATA vendors will always complain about the people that don't "belong" in there. Funny part is every year you will read on bowsite and archerytalk about someone that got a badge and is in there taking pics and keeping everyone "updated" on what is cool and what is not.
A heads up... Be very wary of product information posted on ArcheryTalk. A situation has arisen that can only be interpreted as the owners of ArcheryTalk being in bed with a group (Quick Time) that is illegally repackaging other companies products and selling them under their name. Every post to ArcheryTalk pointing this out is immediately removed by the forum Administrators and the user who posted the information banned.
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#1724923 - 01/14/10 07:36 AM
Re: SHOT Show in Vegas
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The ATA vendors will always complain about the people that don't "belong" in there. Funny part is every year you will read on bowsite and archerytalk about someone that got a badge and is in there taking pics and keeping everyone "updated" on what is cool and what is not. They, to me, are more valuable than any writer because they are non-biased. That is what we need instead of some media dude that has to stroke the manufacturers to stay in good with them. Reading a review on the latest bow in a archery mag is crap, why? because if they are truthfull they fear the loss of advertisement. Truth be known take the media out and replace them with half as many knowledgeable consumers giving the reviews on product and it will be a much better show. And that's why I don't read printed reviews anymore. The author is usually either getting paid to write the review or gets the product free for writing it. I exclusively use reviews by consumers on internet talk forums. Although even that isn't immune from "crap." Some manufacturers use the anonymity of the internet to masquerade as consumers to hype their product. But good talk forum owners/administrators keep a close eye on this. In addition, being caught doing this harms a manufacturer's reputation dramatically, so top-drawer manufacturers shy away from these gorilla marketing tactics.
Ding ding ding! My thoughts exactly.
Kinda like going to a car dealer and asking, "Is this a good car?"
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#1724926 - 01/14/10 07:42 AM
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BW, you are so full of yourself and a lot of shat its hilarious! You posted this:
And by the way, you don't support these businesses. You support the dealers. The manufacturers could care less what you think because they don't sell to you.
I have never read a more ignorant statement! You think for instance, Bill Jordan doesnt care what any average Joe hunter out there thinks?? Who do you think keeps him in business?? No he doesnt have time to talk to Joe lunch bucket, but I guarantee you he wants Joe to be happy and impressed with his product! Supporting a dealer of 'Realtree' is supporting the manufacturer and you know that!
You can wake up with a hangover and be having a bad day but you dont have to be an arsehole and get on here and act like you make the rules to the world! Get over yourself and maybe you will live a little happier!
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#1724933 - 01/14/10 07:50 AM
Re: SHOT Show in Vegas
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When the new trail-camera company "Predator" hit the market with their first cameras, the media blitz was amazing, with all sorts of spectacular claims about their products. The advertising stated they were the best cameras ever made. Yet it was internet/consumer reviews that exposed their cameras as crap that killed their sales.
Internet reviews have driven Cuddeback down to a company that struggles to stay in business. I don't know how they stay in business with all they spend on print and TV advertising.
Even big manufacturers like Moultrie get hit hard by internet reviews. Their new products last year, the I-45 and I-65, with amazing new cell-phone technology, got killed when their false advertising claims were exposed (they were advertised as "no visible light" flash camera, yet were found to be highly visible). That killed the sales of these new products that were intended to be their flagship models.
To this day, print media writers still give the Cuddeback and new Mounltrie cameras rave reviews, but consumers have learned better through the internet.
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#1724935 - 01/14/10 07:53 AM
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BSK has a valid point. H also has an invalid point. I don't know of single writer being paid by a vendor. However there is some money changing hands in advertising money...in every single magazien and every single website includding this one. BSK is erroneoes if he thinks website exposure eclipeses magazine exposre. How many of you take your laptop into the toilet?
Now I agree, be carefull of one of the websites. In fact, be carefull of all of them.
But BSK is totally incorrect if he thinks websites...as of today can replace print media completely in terms of advertising. How many websites reach a quarter million people a week?
Asl Dodd Clifton if he would rather talk to Bill Krenz or Richman BBQ. Would they rather talk to the product review folks from Bowhunt America or he?
Websites all have sponsirs. That's how they stay in business. Of course they are going to give prefence to sponsors. What is the difference between that and print media.
The point is...that has been lost in the thread, is access. If you can't can't acccess the vendor, who is to blame? If I can't talk to Bill Jordan because RMQQ is talking to him, who loses? I'm not going to stand around to get a quote or an explanation of new pattern. If Ronnie Stricklan or Stephanie is tied up taling to someone who has no intention of buying or anything to offer, who loses?
A picture or two on some obscure website doen't mean jack when you compare it to a half-million issues of a magazine. How many websites have a half-million visitors a week or a month or a year?
Pklease excuse the typos-L:ittle shakey today.
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#1724938 - 01/14/10 07:54 AM
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Exactly BSK, its some 'average joes' that are not on the payroll or big buddies with those in the business that will tell the truth, and give honest answers on the results of new products! Thank goodness everybody involved dont have any friends to impress!
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#1724943 - 01/14/10 07:57 AM
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Winchester What kind of vehicle do you drive? Is it the same as your buddy. The same bow your buddy shoots may not suit you at all. You didn't marry the same woman, did you? Would you trade wives with him?
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#1724945 - 01/14/10 07:59 AM
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When the new trail-camera company "Predator" hit the market with their first cameras, the media blitz was amazing, with all sorts of spectacular claims about their products. The advertising stated they were the best cameras ever made. Yet it was internet/consumer reviews that exposed their cameras as crap that killed their sales.
I am sure the same can be said for carbon scent away suits...I can just see all the buss and hype that was being generated behind the closed doors of the trade show when it was first introduced...Nobody that was allowed in the trade shows probably really cared if it worked or not...It was all about how much money they could get flowing with the intitial industry insider hype...
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