#1726805 - 01/15/10 08:25 AM
Re: What kind of change?
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Winchester
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Okay, here is another thought...
What about the hunters that are managing there property that need to shoot some cull bucks that are 4 or 6 pointers, that's all they will be? With a point restriction that can't be done. Just a thought....
FBH, you right I've seen some real nice 8 pointers that were killed this year and yes it would be hard for me to turn down a 160 plus 8 pointer. Don't think I could.... Personally I do not believe in Cull bucks.
Cull bucks definitely exist, they are the bucks that reach 4.5 yrs and older that grow small/inferior racks! That is a cull, a mature buck with a small rack.
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#1726815 - 01/15/10 08:30 AM
Re: What kind of change?
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Will you let him walk, chip? I didn't think so. That 9 point rule crap is BS! Laurel Hill tried it and realized it doesn't work.
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#1726927 - 01/15/10 09:32 AM
Re: What kind of change?
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Wes Parrish
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Okay, here is another thought...
What about the hunters that are managing there property that need to shoot some cull bucks that are 4 or 6 pointers, that's all they will be?
In my opinion, we should think like there is no such thing as a "cull" buck in Tennessee.
Very, very, very few bucks will not have at least 7 or more points by the time they reach 3 1/2 years of age, while most bucks shot as "culls" have simply been yearling to 2 1/2-yr-old bucks that were rather average-antlered for their age ---- most of which would have developed antlers most of the "cullers" would have done shoulder mounts on had they let those bucks live another year or two.
At least in terms of statewide free-roaming deer, the term "culling" has become nothing more than an excuse to shoot a young small-antlered buck. If you want to shoot a young small-antlered buck, fine, just do it. But it's not culling here, or in Texas, or anywhere else.
And who cares that much about the number of points anyway?
A 140-class 6-pointer will have much larger rack than a 140-class 10-pointer.
To think this deer could be illegal because of a BS point rule is amazing. 
And aren't you glad someone didn't "cull" that one when he was a 4-point yearling? 
Nice buck.
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#1727087 - 01/15/10 11:37 AM
Re: What kind of change?
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mathews338
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Wes, I hear what you are saying but I believe there are cull bucks here in East Tn. Example: I killed a six pointer this past season that was 4.5 years old. In 2009 killed a 4 pointer that was 5 years old. I had watch and photo'ed these deer for about 4 years. So to say there is no cull bucks, I don't think so. JMO.... PS: Glad to hear from you..... 
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#1727103 - 01/15/10 11:44 AM
Re: What kind of change?
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Wes, I hear what you are saying but I believe there are cull bucks here in East Tn. Example: I killed a six pointer this past season that was 4.5 years old. In 2009 killed a 4 pointer that was 5 years old. I had watch and photo'ed these deer for about 4 years. So to say there is no cull bucks, I don't think so. JMO.... PS: Glad to hear from you..... i know what your saying but at least those bucks you mentioned got the chance to be all they could be
Exactly, and they ended up being Culls! Any mature buck that has a little small rack is a CULL! IMO anyway
Now until they have had every chance and 4.5 yrs to grow out of being inferior, I dont think any culls exist, but past 4.5 if he dont have it he's not going to.
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#1727108 - 01/15/10 11:48 AM
Re: What kind of change?
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Double-D-Team
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Wes, I hear what you are saying but I believe there are cull bucks here in East Tn. Example: I killed a six pointer this past season that was 4.5 years old. In 2009 killed a 4 pointer that was 5 years old. I had watch and photo'ed these deer for about 4 years. So to say there is no cull bucks, I don't think so. JMO.... PS: Glad to hear from you..... i know what your saying but at least those bucks you mentioned got the chance to be all they could be
Your right they did, but the reason I say there is cull bucks is because we have come a long way in management to a degree. The brown and down days for some are long gone and we look closer at the deer we are about to shoot or at least I do. I prefer mature bucks to young ones but there are mature by age and not so much in size. So there it is, for me a cull buck. Let me clear up one thing...I've worked this property for going on 8 years and I only take mature bucks off it and mature for me is in the 4 to 5 year old bracket. But some have pointed out other things I do wrong on this property as well so I'm not the gospel. I just try hard..... 
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#1727223 - 01/15/10 01:19 PM
Re: What kind of change?
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BigGameGuy
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Wes,
I hear what you are saying but I believe there are cull bucks here in East Tn.
Example: I killed a six pointer this past season that was 4.5 years old. In 2009 killed a 4 pointer that was 5 years old. I had watch and photo'ed these deer for about 4 years. So to say there is no cull bucks, I don't think so. JMO....
Double-D
I completely respect your opinion but here is the biological data from East Tennessee...
As you can see, many mature bucks in east Tennessee don't even hit the 8-point level. Instead of calling them cull bucks we like to refer to them as "bucks".
With that many in the herd, I doubt culling is going to do a thing. It's a nutrition problem not a genetic problem.
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#1727254 - 01/15/10 01:49 PM
Re: What kind of change?
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WestTn Huntin'man
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Leave it the way it is now.
I agree why mess with perfection.
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#1727265 - 01/15/10 01:58 PM
Re: What kind of change?
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Wes,
I hear what you are saying but I believe there are cull bucks here in East Tn.
Example: I killed a six pointer this past season that was 4.5 years old. In 2009 killed a 4 pointer that was 5 years old. I had watch and photo'ed these deer for about 4 years. So to say there is no cull bucks, I don't think so. JMO....
Double-D I completely respect your opinion but here is the biological data from East Tennessee... As you can see, many mature bucks in east Tennessee don't even hit the 8-point level. Instead of calling them cull bucks we like to refer to them as "bucks". With that many in the herd, I doubt culling is going to do a thing. It's a nutrition problem not a genetic problem.
Its kind of disheartening to see that we are still killing over 50% yearling bucks in Region 4. How does this % stack up with years past BGG?
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