#1719860 - 01/11/10 03:14 PM
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Must have missed that article deerchaser007. Who wrote it?
Personally, I'll stick wit the best scientific compendum created to date on the postive and negative affects of suplemental feeding and baiting. As well as the advice of the head of the Southeast Wildlife Disease Research Group, who said supplemental feeding is one the greatest threats to wildlife in modern times, right behind wildlife relocation.
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#1719871 - 01/11/10 03:18 PM
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BSK, or Bowriter,
Why is QDM so much recommend if its doing the wrong things?
I just want to know and no I'm not trying to start something...
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#1720011 - 01/11/10 04:38 PM
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Must have missed that article deerchaser007. Who wrote it?
Personally, I'll stick wit the best scientific compendum created to date on the postive and negative affects of suplemental feeding and baiting. As well as the advice of the head of the Southeast Wildlife Disease Research Group, who said supplemental feeding is one the greatest threats to wildlife in modern times, right behind wildlife relocation.
Patrick Durkin wrote the article,.. the quotes in the article are from Karl Miller,Keith McCaffery, Charles Deyoung,Steve Ditchkoff,Bob Zaiglin, and Grant Woods ,.. just to name a few. Of course,.. i can't quote the whole article,..nor what all of them said, and if i could it would boil down to a he said this and he said that,.. much like what we have here on tndeer about this same topic. My point is,.. deer biologist across the country differ on this very subject,.. of course we as hunters are going to differ on it also.
I respect your stand on this issue BSK ,.. don't think i'm trying to challenge your expert advice. BUT,.. by saying supplemental feeding is one of the greatest threats to wildlife in the future is at this time heresay. Most agree that CWD and TB was not caused by feeding,.. but severe overpopulation. Same as the HD outbreak that occurs in the south,.. feeding can't be linked. Lets take KY for example,.. what if a new disease occured in 10 years. How easy would it be to blame feeding and baiting,.. and how hard would it be to prove it?? What if the same disease occured shortly after in TN with no baiting,.. do we blame KY. How can we prove or disprove any theory feeding can and will cause critical concequences? Much like HD,.. nowdays it just part of nature taking her course according to many biologist. Who is to say the next big disease wil not be veiwed this way,.. and the blame falls on feeding!! Thats just my opinion. I hope your right,.. i don't care either way. BUT,.. at this time i believe in choice. I believe a hunter should have the right to choose to bait or not bait in TN just like he does to feed or not feed in summer, or carry a crossbow instead of compound, or take 1 buck or 3 bucks.
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#1720383 - 01/11/10 07:35 PM
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BSK Where can I find a article,survey.or data, that positivily shows that feeding deer in the wild corn, causes deer to contact diseases .
I have never been to a farm that raises deer and was wandering how they go about feeding deer as I am sure they probably feed some corn to them also. Just asking. thanks
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#1720412 - 01/11/10 07:51 PM
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Just 2 weeks ago, I watched 6 does and 8 fawns(3 were button bucks) feeding on honeysuckle. Are we gonna eradicate honeysuckle for fear of disease spread?
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#1720497 - 01/11/10 08:30 PM
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That's why the scientific community makes many of their decisions based on peer-reviewed paper, not popular articles.
I hope I don't offend anyone but Quality Whitetails is not a scientific data source...it's a popular magazine.
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#1720500 - 01/11/10 08:32 PM
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Here is a link to the position statement by The Wildlife Society, which is the largest organization of professional wildlife biologists in the country:
http://joomla.wildlife.org/documents/positionstatements/42-Baiting%20and%20Feeding.pdf
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#1720552 - 01/11/10 08:59 PM
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My next food plot... I might have to plant the corn a little deeper next time...
Edited by gator-n-buck (01/11/10 09:00 PM)
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#1720913 - 01/12/10 07:27 AM
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Just 2 weeks ago, I watched 6 does and 8 fawns(3 were button bucks) feeding on honeysuckle. Are we gonna eradicate honeysuckle for fear of disease spread?
Deer do not browse on plants in the same manner that they eat at a pile of corn--one mouth right after another on the exact same spot.
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#1720923 - 01/12/10 07:36 AM
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BSK Where can I find a article,survey.or data, that positivily shows that feeding deer in the wild corn, causes deer to contact diseases .
I have never been to a farm that raises deer and was wandering how they go about feeding deer as I am sure they probably feed some corn to them also. Just asking. thanks
The Canadian Cooperative Wildlife Health Centre [Google that to find their home page] is an excellent clearinghouse of information on wildlife health and diseases. In their list of publications you will find a document titled "A Comprehensive Review of the Ecological and Human Social Effects of Artificial Feeding and Baiting of Wildlife." This is a review of published scientific literature on the subject and includes studies on both the positives and negatives of artificial feeding, including supplemental feeding, baiting and even food plots.
Here's the document:
http://www.ccwhc.ca/publications/wildlife_baiting.pdf
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