#1719411 - 01/11/10 09:44 AM
Re: Killing Does
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Who doesn't.
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#1719450 - 01/11/10 10:10 AM
Re: Killing Does
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You know, I've had several different theories on killing does over the years. I had a farmer tell me once, "if you want more bull calves, you don't get rid of your cows" and that was my thought on killing does. At the time, there was no reason to kill does. My opinion changed on shooting does several years later when the deer population exploded in my area in Mid TN. I shot a few. I think a lot of hunters in my area took the 3 does per day limit literally. I firmly believe too many does were killed in my area. Couple that with the EHD outbreak, deer numbers are not what they were 7 or 8 years ago. Based on what I'm seeing now, I'm back to the cow theory. I now believe killing does should be determined by each individual hunters common judgement. You know better than anyone what the deer numbers are on your property or lease. Me personally, I have no reason to kill does in the places I hunt. You, on the other hand, may need to take several. I just think it's a blanket statement to say "we do" or "we don't need to kill does".
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#1719453 - 01/11/10 10:21 AM
Re: Killing Does
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before we first got this lease it was brown its down and the numbers were way down now it isnt uncommon to see 10 or more does in a group in early season (I saw 6 together saturday) and the does are starting to outnumber bucks so we got to get it back to a closer ratio
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#1719465 - 01/11/10 10:30 AM
Re: Killing Does
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Doe harvests should always be decided upon using site specific criteria. Some areas probably need a lot of does killed, some areas may need few if any killed.
It all depends on the site specific conditions/indicators.
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#1719470 - 01/11/10 10:35 AM
Re: Killing Does
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I had a farmer tell me once, "if you want more bull calves, you don't get rid of your cows" and that was my thought on killing does.
The primary problem with that idea when it comes to whitetailed deer is Yearling Buck Dispersal (YBD). Depending upon the size of your property, many of the yearling bucks you see during hunting season were not born on your property. They were born "somewhere else" and moved to your property during YBD. Depending upon the habitat and doe harvest policies, 50-80% of yearling bucks disperse from their birth range, often traveling miles before choosing a new range.
You may not have a single male fawn born on your property for years, but you may still have a perfectly normal crop of yearling bucks each year. Dispersal insures that.
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#1719515 - 01/11/10 11:01 AM
Re: Killing Does
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I think many here have had their trials with doe killing, with how many need to be killed and when. I too have changed my thoughts some on the does. I once thought we should kill every one possible and we did. All this got us however was even more does, they were being replaced from adjoining properties to take advantage of our food and cover, faster than we were killing them it seemed. I know in many areas you can succesfully thin the doe herd, but in some places if the neighbors arent killing any does, its impossible to gain much ground. All you end up doing in some cases is educating the entire herd as to them being hunted.
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#1719533 - 01/11/10 11:14 AM
Re: Killing Does
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I know in many areas you can succesfully thin the doe herd, but in some places if the neighbors arent killing any does, its impossible to gain much ground. All you end up doing in some cases is educating the entire herd as to them being hunted.
Yup.
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#1719557 - 01/11/10 11:25 AM
Re: Killing Does
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Doe season is not a new idea. Where I do most of my hunting (Carroll Co. TN), doe have been legal to kill since the seventys. First there were quota doe hunts, then post season non quota either sex hunts plus archery season. I know doe killing opportunities have been increased in recent years but open season on them is not a new idea.
They may be slightly more pressured now but they have been fair game for many years which makes them just as wary as a buck. Again, this is where I hunt in West Tennessee.
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#1719566 - 01/11/10 11:31 AM
Re: Killing Does
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TLR, sure there have been some limited opportuities to kill does for many years now, but nothing like them being legal to kill every day of season, with multiple tags to boot! The does here in TN have never had the kind of pressure put on them compared to the last several years.
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#1719621 - 01/11/10 12:10 PM
Re: Killing Does
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TLR, sure there have been some limited opportuities to kill does for many years now, but nothing like them being legal to kill every day of season, with multiple tags to boot! The does here in TN have never had the kind of pressure put on them compared to the last several years.
I agree. There's a big differene between a few designated quota hunts and open season every day of rifle season.
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