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#1714504 - 01/08/10 11:20 AM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: BSK]
Quailman
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 Originally Posted By: BSK

That's exactly what we're seeing. Amazingly, over 7 seasons, the percent of the buck population that is 3 1/2 and 4 1/2+ haven't changed a bit. The one big change is the percent of the buck population that is 2 1/2. The percent that are 2 1/2s has been climbing steadily over the 7 year period.


This has been the strangest and most disppointing year I've had on our TN farm. For the last few years, deer numbers have steadliy increased, and buck to doe ratios were typically around 1:1.5 during the hunting season (summer ratios were 2.5:1!), with a good number of 2.5 and older bucks.

However, this year with nutrition, deer numbers (total), and fawn recruitment being at an all time high, buck numbers have decreased dramatically (through all age classes), and I have not even seen 4 or 5 bucks that were 2.5-4.5 years old last year (they spent the whole summer/fall on my property). I've been running trail cameras since late July, and they are still running today, with no luck. I've only photographed 3 bucks 3.5+ year old (1 4.5 year old) all season, and was fortunate to take one of those bucks 2 weeks ago.

I just don't understand the hugh downward trend in buck numbers this year. There is very little hunting pressure on my farm, and not a great deal of pressure on the adjacent properties, so I know that not all of those bucks from last year were killed. I just don't know what happened. Hopefully things will get back to normal next year.

I do wish we had more doe opportunities in my county. We had one antlerless quota hunt (300) that ran from November 29-Dec. 2, which was Saturday through Tuesday after thanksgiving.
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#1714506 - 01/08/10 11:22 AM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: Winchester]
Quailman
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
It used to be if you didnt reserve a room in advance you were out of luck. I remember the parking lots at both the Bucksnort BP and at 'the store' on the Waverly exit being absolutely overrunning with hunters and people in line to check in their deer.


I remember those days! I grew up hunting near Bucksnort, and the campground area behind the market was overrun with hunters. Opening day of gun season sounded like a war!
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#1714787 - 01/08/10 02:47 PM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: Winchester]
plinker22
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I remember on weekend a group of us brought back 24 deer on Thanksgiving weekend, we had 9 on a hitch hauler and 15 in another truck.

Winchester and his group killed 'em all! \:D \:D \:D ;\)
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#1714922 - 01/08/10 03:50 PM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: plinker22]
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 Originally Posted By: plinker22
Question: Statewide Kill Down.......

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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I remember on weekend a group of us brought back 24 deer on Thanksgiving weekend, we had 9 on a hitch hauler and 15 in another truck.

Winchester and his group killed 'em all! \:D \:D \:D ;\)
\:\) \:\)
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#1715007 - 01/08/10 04:55 PM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: Football Hunter]
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I want to know how you fit 9 deer on a hitch-haul!
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#1716071 - 01/09/10 09:18 AM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: Winchester]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
It used to be if you didnt reserve a room in advance you were out of luck. I remember the parking lots at both the Bucksnort BP and at 'the store' on the Waverly exit being absolutely overrunning with hunters and people in line to check in their deer.


I remember those days. You had to reserve a spot at the KOA campground at Exit 143 a year in advance.

I also remember opening day of gun season at The Store. By 11:00 AM it seemed like there would be over 100 fork-horn and spike bucks stacked up in the parking lot waiting to be checked in. I bet AlanP remembers those days too, as he was often one of the TWRA biologists checking deer in (that's where I first met him).


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Every truck had orange in it and you could literally count hundreds of shots on opening weekends of Rifle and MZ.


I used to "count shots" on opening morning. It wasn't uncommon to hear 40 to 50 opening morning alone.

But now you should see the difference. Even opening weekend of gun there will be virtually NO ONE at Bucksnort, few at the KOA campground, and only a handful of trucks at the hotels near The Store.

Over the last 5 or 6 years, instead of 40 to 50 shots opening morning of gun season, I often only hear 4 to 6 shots the entire opening weekend.
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#1716075 - 01/09/10 09:20 AM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: Quailman]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
 Originally Posted By: BSK

That's exactly what we're seeing. Amazingly, over 7 seasons, the percent of the buck population that is 3 1/2 and 4 1/2+ haven't changed a bit. The one big change is the percent of the buck population that is 2 1/2. The percent that are 2 1/2s has been climbing steadily over the 7 year period.


This has been the strangest and most disppointing year I've had on our TN farm. For the last few years, deer numbers have steadliy increased, and buck to doe ratios were typically around 1:1.5 during the hunting season (summer ratios were 2.5:1!), with a good number of 2.5 and older bucks.

However, this year with nutrition, deer numbers (total), and fawn recruitment being at an all time high, buck numbers have decreased dramatically (through all age classes), and I have not even seen 4 or 5 bucks that were 2.5-4.5 years old last year (they spent the whole summer/fall on my property). I've been running trail cameras since late July, and they are still running today, with no luck. I've only photographed 3 bucks 3.5+ year old (1 4.5 year old) all season, and was fortunate to take one of those bucks 2 weeks ago.

I just don't understand the hugh downward trend in buck numbers this year. There is very little hunting pressure on my farm, and not a great deal of pressure on the adjacent properties, so I know that not all of those bucks from last year were killed. I just don't know what happened. Hopefully things will get back to normal next year.

I do wish we had more doe opportunities in my county. We had one antlerless quota hunt (300) that ran from November 29-Dec. 2, which was Saturday through Tuesday after thanksgiving.


Quailman,

Your experiences this year are not uncommon at all. This year I heard more hunters/managers telling the same story--all across the country--than I can count, myself included. I don't know what environmental factor was driving this problem, but it was extremely common and very widespread.
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#1716220 - 01/09/10 11:10 AM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: BSK]
megalomaniac
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Count me in... we only got 2 3.5 yr old bucks on camera and 1 4.5 yr old on camera on the main farm this year. Only one of which we knew for sure was there last year. All my other bucks 3.5 from last year disappeared/ were killed last year.

Never found the buck on camera that was 4.5 last year on the other farm. He was still alive after the season and a total homebody, so I was really expecting to catch him as a 5.5 yr old this year, but he never showed.

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#1716307 - 01/09/10 12:34 PM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: megalomaniac]
Quailman
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
He was still alive after the season and a total homebody, so I was really expecting to catch him as a 5.5 yr old this year, but he never showed.


Exactly the same situation I've encountered. I had a great 4.5 year old on the farm last year, and have photos of him since 2007. He completely disappeared this year (along with two 3.5 year olds and three 2.5 year olds) so I can only hope some of them will turn up this coming year.
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#1717358 - 01/10/10 09:21 AM Re: Statewide Kill Down......... [Re: Quailman]
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Quailman,

This last year, while running my summer baited census, I did not pick up a single buck over 2 1/2 years old.
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