Baiting and feeding are same thing. The only difference is when you start hunting over it. Why one is legal and the other is not, is beyond me.

Baiting will be legal soon as they figure out how to turn a profit from it, same as the 20 .00 doe tags un less you have your sportsmans..

Say, that's not a half bad idea. I think I remember one state or province where they have to register bear bait sites.

Say $50 a site times the thousands across the state-we might be talking some real money here.....

On another note....How many will be supplemental feeding after the season is over?

ought not joke like that,some here actualy believe stuff like that..LOL

Just like the guy the other day talking about the Elk stocking,then saying how he heard that TWRA was "re" stocking Moose back into the area..LMAO And then got on the subject of rattlesnake and cougar stockings!! I just laughed and said "huh"!! LOL

Baiting and feeding are same thing. The only difference is when you start hunting over it. Why one is legal and the other is not, is beyond me.

We need hunters in TN to be pretty successful in killing deer, therefore, we don't want to introduce anything that will lower their success rate.




http://www.wideerhunters.org/articles/baitingeffects.pdf

http://www.wideerhunters.org/articles/SCbaitstudy.pdf

I dont think it would lower the success rate on feral hogs

I don't care one way or the other but I do hope it gets legalized for one simple reason: to show these people it ain't shootin' fish in a barrel.

Too many hunters owe their success to feeding and even baiting.

I'd like to bring them down to hunt the Hatchie Bottoms with me and the Chaney Lake bunch and let them see what hunting IS all about.

IMO.........Hunting is using your skill and knowledge to place yourself in a animal's natural daily patterns and successfully harvest that animal.....

Drawing deer to you and holding them there is not hunting.....IMO.

With that being said, feeders don't necessarily draw deer to you like you may think. Only the deer using your area anyway will benefit. Unless food is so scarce that deer have to travel long distances to survive, they won't travel too far just to visit a feeder, IMO.

Hunting the Hatchie Bottoms (the deep Bottoms and not the agricultural fields along the edges)is a pleasure and a true hunting experience...IMO.

I feel sad that not everyone can experience it......I feel that most here might quit deer hunting if they had to hunt like we do on Chaney Lake simply because so many here want baiting to be legal..........

Not a bash, but more an opinion based on all the pro-baiters on here....

Bh

On another note....How many will be supplemental feeding after the season is over?

To me, its comparable to you telling me that I can't watch soccer on tv in my home, because you don't like it. AS LONG AS THE PUBLIC GOOD IS NOT HARMED, I should be able to do whatever I please on my own property. The baiting is not really the point. Its "you", figuratively, minding my business. In my setup, I could bait till hell freezes over, and no one would ever know the difference, but believe it or not, I have always operated within the framework of the law. Even when, IMO, the law is stupid.

Here we go. Excellent topic

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SAD and just another example of entitlement........I can't be successfully without baiting so I want baiting to be legal....I deserve to kill a deer because I bought a license. I don't want to do the work, but want the same reward as everyone else that did the work......

are you a democrat?????

hahahahahahaha

truly sad...

BH

what about being able to bait beginning the day after the season closes but before the final juvenile hunt? looks like if the youngster was able to have a higher success rate - which for some would simply be seeing a deer or two - it may be worth what some consider the negatives. just a thought.

So we want to start youth off with compromised ethics?

Gator-actually, that isn't the debate. It is what people conceive to be the debate. The debate is, "Is it healthy to feed or bait? Is it ultimately harmfull to the wildlife?".

We have known for years baiting is not an advantage to kill a mature buck...the exception being Texas or maybe Canada where the food source is so scarce.

Baiting will be legal soon as they figure out how to turn a profit from it, same as the 20 .00 doe tags un less you have your sportsmans..

Gator-actually, that isn't the debate. It is what people conceive to be the debate. The debate is, "Is it healthy to feed or bait? Is it ultimately harmfull to the wildlife?".

We have known for years baiting is not an advantage to kill a mature buck...the exception being Texas or maybe Canada where the food source is so scarce.

It brings a smile to my face to see how people justify food plots as ok but feeders not. But they have feeders out prior to the season though. Sound like Democrats!

It brings a smile to my face to see how people justify food plots as ok but feeders not.

Gator-actually, that isn't the debate. It is what people conceive to be the debate. The debate is, "Is it healthy to feed or bait? Is it ultimately harmfull to the wildlife?".

We have known for years baiting is not an advantage to kill a mature buck...the exception being Texas or maybe Canada where the food source is so scarce.

not to mention,corn gives them basically starch and sugar,not nearly as beneficial as a good foodplot

I see food plots and feeders as quite different,always there,beneficial to wildlife all year long,takes work ,not just pouring corn on the ground

So you're saying food plots are more work, therefore they're ok, as opposed to "just pouring corn on the ground". Have you ever tried to tote two 50lb bags of corn 2 miles in dense hardwoods? It requires a little work.

And you still put it out.What gives you complain about some wanting to bait for there reasons, but then you post that you do after season to check and see what bucks are left.,and then post its not beneficial for the deer like a foodplot.Sounds like you ride the fence.

And you still put it out.What gives you complain about some wanting to bait for there reasons, but then you post that you do after season to check and see what bucks are left.,and then post its not beneficial for the deer like a foodplot.Sounds like you ride the fence.

If you wanted to attract kids,would you hand out candy or carrots?

BTW my only complaint about "baiting"is that it is illegal.You said baiting,not feeding,and according to many "deer guys" is a great way to spread disease amongst them.

no I havent,that seems ridiculous to me

It might seem rediculous to me that you spend hours and hours working on a food plot when you could just pour out a bag of corn. One more question.....why don't you just set your trail cam up over your food plot to see what bucks made it through the season?

So they won't spread disease if you just feed them. Take that same bag of corn you put out after season to see what bucks are still their and start hunting over it and they will spread disease.You make no sence. Feeding and baiting are the same thing. If you cant understand that then please dont post on this subject until you go back and get you GED Thank you.

Im gonna use about 3 bags of corn to get my census,then Im done with the corn,do whatever you want.I dont care,however I do care about being called stupid,dONT NEED A ged,Have high school diploma and a college degree.Next time you in Wilson coun,let me know ,and you can say that to my face.

Gator-actually, that isn't the debate. It is what people conceive to be the debate. The debate is, "Is it healthy to feed or bait? Is it ultimately harmfull to the wildlife?".

We have known for years baiting is not an advantage to kill a mature buck...the exception being Texas or maybe Canada where the food source is so scarce.

Contagious diseases can be spread at feeders or bait piles at any time of year.

Aflatoxin poisoning at feeders/bait piles (using corn) is most likely in the warm, wet months of summer.

Personally, I don't feed/bait with corn at any time of year. My baited photo censuses use salt licks as the bait. But if CWD makes it into TN, I won't be doing that either. It is theoretically posible to spread CWD at a salt lick, but not other contagious diseases (the high salinity environment of a salt lick kills bacteria/viruses, but not the infectious prion of CWD).

The debate is, "Is it healthy to feed or bait? Is it ultimately harmfull to the wildlife?".

you dont know who you are messing with

you dont know who you are messing with

Must have missed that article deerchaser007. Who wrote it?

Personally, I'll stick wit the best scientific compendum created to date on the postive and negative affects of suplemental feeding and baiting. As well as the advice of the head of the Southeast Wildlife Disease Research Group, who said supplemental feeding is one the greatest threats to wildlife in modern times, right behind wildlife relocation.

Just 2 weeks ago, I watched 6 does and 8 fawns(3 were button bucks) feeding on honeysuckle. Are we gonna eradicate honeysuckle for fear of disease spread?

BSK Where can I find a article,survey.or data, that positivily shows that feeding deer in the wild corn, causes deer to contact diseases .
I have never been to a farm that raises deer and was wandering how they go about feeding deer as I am sure they probably feed some corn to them also. Just asking. thanks

BSK, or Bowriter,

Why is QDM so much recommend if its doing the wrong things?
I just want to know and no I'm not trying to start something...

Gator-n-Buck how do you pick a cam placement on that little of a corn pile? But seriously do any of these disease problems stem from people over doing qdm. By that I mean only taking the older bucks and no other deer from thier heard, leaving to many does and inferior bucks.

But seriously do any of these disease problems stem from people over doing qdm. By that I mean only taking the older bucks and no other deer from thier heard, leaving to many does and inferior bucks.

I'm not sure what you mean. Baiting and/or feeding is NOT recommended in QDM.

On the other hand, ANY manipulation used to "improve" conditions for a species has risks. Improvements in habitat for deer has several potential risks, with the biggest being getting what you asked for--more deer. Unfortunately, most people will be oblivious to the signs of over-population until the problem is truly severe.

And that's one of the things I stress heavily to clients--that by "building it, they will come." If you improve the habiat for deer, you will get more deer, either through attraction from surrounding properties or increased reproduction. Habitat manipulators must be highly attuned to herd conditions and be quick to notice and address excessive increases in population.

My next food plot... I might have to plant the corn a little deeper next time...

G-n-B better get to managing that heard! Ratio seems a tad off!

I understand that but so many groups that I have talked to only allow large mature bucks and no other animals. I think that it is more previlent than we think. Land we have in NFl. is next such a club that its over run with does and inferior bucks. We have basically gone to the if its brown its down the past couple of years and still have them everywhere.

[ Three common practices include natural vegetation management, food plots, and supplemental feeding.


Now this is copied from the QDM homepage. But you are telling me not to grow food plots or supplemental feed? Help me to understand?

BSK, I hear what your saying but read this:
Habitat Management
Whitetail Nutritional Needs

Improving the nutrition available to a deer herd is another important component of QDM. The diet of a healthy herd should contain 12-18 percent protein and adequate levels of calcium, phosphorous, and other important nutrients. Although whitetails can maintain themselves on lower quality diets, antler development, body growth, and reproductive success suffer. Fortunately, several techniques are available to increase nutrition to desirable levels. Three common practices include natural vegetation management, food plots, and supplemental feeding.


Now this is copied from the QDM homepage. But you are telling me not to grow food plots or supplemental feed? Help me to understand?

BSK, I hear what your saying but read this:
Habitat Management
Whitetail Nutritional Needs

Improving the nutrition available to a deer herd is another important component of QDM. The diet of a healthy herd should contain 12-18 percent protein and adequate levels of calcium, phosphorous, and other important nutrients. Although whitetails can maintain themselves on lower quality diets, antler development, body growth, and reproductive success suffer. Fortunately, several techniques are available to increase nutrition to desirable levels. Three common practices include natural vegetation management, food plots, and supplemental feeding.


Now this is copied from the QDM homepage. But you are telling me not to grow food plots or supplemental feed? Help me to understand?

And then it should not be hunted if it is intended to help the deer herd. Once you hunt a food plot, it loses its' value in terms of herd health.

I guess we better tell the deer that. Also, what about plots that are designed specifically for killing deer?

The in my opinion, it becomes bait. A food plot thatis hunted results in a dead deer. How is that different from one starving to death? Both deer are dead. Very few deer in TN need a food plot or a feeder. The reason for every food plot I have ever seen is to attract deer to be shot. To me thatr is baiting.

A food plot is only important if it is needed. And then it should not be hunted if it is intended to help the deer herd. Once you hunt a food plot, it loses its' value in terms of herd health.

The number one factor in habitat manipulation should always be enhancement of natural browse.

Okay now I'm all screwed-up!!!!!

First let me say I do not hunt over the food plot which is 100 wide 200 long that's all, Tecamonte one half, the other corn and clover with red bets. I do hunt about 200 to 300 yards on a travel trail to the food plot ( okay sue me).

Second, The supplemental feed in my 2 feeders is high dollar stuff that I by at the Co-Op. And no I don't hunt over the feeders either.. I got one feeder on some property we didn't even hunt this year. The second one is around the house which we don't hunt around at all.

So I guess my question is...Why am I doing this if its not helping the deer?

By the way I have been doing this for the last 5 years. I have never seen the deer like I have this past season...

So in Tn we just need to let Mother Nature take care of the deer and all we got to do is just hunt?
(I'm not trying to sound like a smart A$$, okay) I'm just trying to do the right thing here that's all.

That's what I do and I've never enjoyed hunting more.