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#1714722 - 01/08/10 01:44 PM Pressured Does
Cy
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Help me understand this.

I have read a number of posts that suggest that does become more sensitive to hunters when they are hunted more (i.e. seeing fewer does in counties recently added to Unit L after they have been hunted for a year or two). I can't make sense out of this. The does don't know they are now being hunted. Seems to me all deer become more sensitive when there is increased intrusion, whether they are being targeted or not, and that's the only hunter related reason they would become more nocturnal, etc.

Now, if it's a matter of removing the does that are less sensitive overall, leaving a population of "smarter" does, that might make some sense.
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#1714731 - 01/08/10 01:53 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Cy]
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I cant make sense of these suggestions either. IMO its more of a fantasy than reality. Similar to the suggestion that mature bucks are everywhere you just cant see them, photograph them, or kill them. \:\)
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#1714734 - 01/08/10 02:03 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Tree Tramp]
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Ever had a bullet whiz by your head? You tend not to forget! ;\) Fawns see ma shot-tend to remember!
And on the mature bucks-my neighbor and I get many pics{primarily nighttime} of large bucks yet no-one sees them during hunting hours.
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#1714737 - 01/08/10 02:05 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: TC4ever]
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deer are pretty smart
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#1714753 - 01/08/10 02:15 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: TC4ever]
Cy
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 Originally Posted By: TC4ever
Ever had a bullet whiz by your head? You tend not to forget! ;\) Fawns see ma shot-tend to remember!
And on the mature bucks-my neighbor and I get many pics{primarily nighttime} of large bucks yet no-one sees them during hunting hours.


Don't know about that. I've shot bucks with other deer standing around and had them jump around, run off 30 yards and stop like they wondered about the commotion, but they weren't particularly alarmed. I don't think they know what "bang" means and I don't believe that they connect shooting (gun or bow) with any kind of threat, necessarily.

If they bust you in your stand, they'll remember the spot and check it out every time they come through, at least for some period of time, but I don't think they "remember" anything from year to year.
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#1714768 - 01/08/10 02:24 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Cy]
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You guys are just kidding yourself if you think deer dont learn and react negatively to pressure/killing them. Its uncanny how quickly they can determine the difference in terms, for instance a farmer in the field feeding his cattle every day will get little more than a look from the resident deer. Then season opens and he decides to kill him a couple, and takes his gun along and kills one, then maybe another one again on day 2, he will be lucky to even see a deer by day 3 where they had been for months without fail. I have saw this reaction in much more complex circumstances several times over the years hunting certain areas, they absolutely learn very quickly what is a danger to them and what isnt. And yes I guarantee you most people who never kill or even see a mature buck are hunting areas where 1 or more lives, they are that good at patterning/avoiding danger once they get a few years on them! I would venture to say anybody that is arguing this doesnt see or kill very many mature deer!
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I cant make sense of these suggestions either. IMO its more of a fantasy than reality. Similar to the suggestion that mature bucks are everywhere you just cant see them, photograph them, or kill them.

I promise you its no Fantasy, the proof is in the pudding. I wouldnt say mature bucks are everywhere, but they exist in many places that nobody knows.

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#1714770 - 01/08/10 02:25 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Cy]
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I don't get this notion either. I hear several of the "experts" on here refer to pressured does quite often. I've hunted long enough to know they're pretty sharp animals, but I've also skull capped a few and their brain isn't particularly large. I find it hard to believe they're smart enough to know who's getting shot at.
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#1714772 - 01/08/10 02:29 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
You guys are just kidding yourself if you think deer dont learn and react negatively to pressure/killing them. Its uncanny how quickly they can determine the difference in terms, for instance a farmer in the field feeding his cattle every day will get little more than a look from the resident deer. Then season opens and he decides to kill him a couple, and takes his gun along and kills one, then maybe another one again on day 2, he will be lucky to even see a deer by day 3 where they had been for months without fail. I have saw this reaction in much more complex circumstances several times over the years hunting certain areas, they absolutely learn very quickly what is a danger to them and what isnt. And yes I guarantee you most people who never kill or even see a mature buck are hunting areas where 1 or more lives, they are that good at patterning/avoiding danger once they get a few years on them! I would venture to say anybody that is arguing this doesnt see or kill very many mature deer!


I agree, but if that farmer only harvests bucks, will the does continue to feed in site if his tractor? I think not. They're not smart enough to think hey we got nothing to worry about, we're does, he only shoots bucks.
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#1714773 - 01/08/10 02:33 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Yodel Dog]
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When you start killing does, you will definitely see fewer of them.

.................Because there are fewer of them there!
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#1714778 - 01/08/10 02:37 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Yodel Dog]
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
You guys are just kidding yourself if you think deer dont learn and react negatively to pressure/killing them. Its uncanny how quickly they can determine the difference in terms, for instance a farmer in the field feeding his cattle every day will get little more than a look from the resident deer. Then season opens and he decides to kill him a couple, and takes his gun along and kills one, then maybe another one again on day 2, he will be lucky to even see a deer by day 3 where they had been for months without fail. I have saw this reaction in much more complex circumstances several times over the years hunting certain areas, they absolutely learn very quickly what is a danger to them and what isnt. And yes I guarantee you most people who never kill or even see a mature buck are hunting areas where 1 or more lives, they are that good at patterning/avoiding danger once they get a few years on them! I would venture to say anybody that is arguing this doesnt see or kill very many mature deer!


I agree, but if that farmer only harvests bucks, will the does continue to feed in site if his tractor? I think not. They're not smart enough to think hey we got nothing to worry about, we're does, he only shoots bucks.

Actually yes, if a farmer only ever shoots bucks, he will definitely have does showing themselves much more than the bucks will, absolutely. Why do you think the does were so easy to kill in the unit L counties when they were first opened, it was normally only bucks getting shot, now the tables have turned and the does have gotten smarter as well. Now I am not one who believes they become as hard to kill as a mature buck, but they definitely LEARN!

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