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#1716699 - 01/09/10 06:43 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Mike Belt]
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#1716833 - 01/09/10 07:53 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Football Hunter]
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I can tell you for sure does become conditioned as anyone who has hunted a greenfield for years from the same ladder stand will tell you that after a while the does get to knowing exactly where the stand is and actually look at it first upon entering the field. they start coming with the wind in their favor etc.....i can say for a fact that in the last few years i have noticibly started seeing less and less does in the daytime....for whatever reason. I had the worst season this year for daytime viewing of any deer for that matter and with but a few exceptions we had only about 3 to 4 stands on the entire lease of 3000+ acres thay you could count on seeing deer in the daytime with any regularity at all.....
I dont have the definitive explanation but dont bull me with "ah shucks you guys are nuts".......i have been at it too long for rediculous sarcasm. Deer sightings in daylight are down and we have game cams of 15 bucks at night that were never seen during daylight hours. You can tell me alot of things ......but you cant argue with game cameras....they "one up" you guys who think you know it all and scoff at statements that dont line up with your own personal experience.
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#1716837 - 01/09/10 07:55 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Mike Belt]
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Good post Mike. This is a good assessment of what i experienced on my lease in Wayne county.


 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
I believe that does will adapt to being hunted just like the bucks do. Since bucks are possibly loners they rely on their instincts alone which keeps them lying low. In comparison, does are often with fawns or in related family groups. Alone, the matriarch does may be almost unkillable but their family counterparts may often lead them into dangerous situations whereby they may be killed.

I know that this year the does joined the bucks in hanging in unhuntably thick cover during daylight hours even without the rut factored in.
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#1716872 - 01/09/10 08:16 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Boone 58]
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Does IMO will not react to the extremes like the older bucks will, but they absolutely LEARN what is dangerous to them. I agree with Mike that a big part of it is the lifestyle they lead, compared to the older bucks which will oftentimes become solitary loners, where the old does normally remain in the family groups. If you hunt long enough and an in many situations and pay attention to whats going on, you will see this happen repeatedly. Again, I dont think the old does ever become as hard to kill as the old bucks, but they definitely Learn and become harder to kill with increased pressure on them. You can kill virtually every buck on a given piece of property and still see the does daily. When you start actually killing the does, they become much more scarce in daylight hours. One thing I have figured out over the years is you can kill many more, and go much longer, without the does going underground when you are killing them strictly with a Bow. Bow hunting is a much lower impact when done right and keeping a place fresh is easier when the guns arent going off.
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#1716900 - 01/09/10 08:32 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Winchester]
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I agree Winchester, there is a distint difference between the two.
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#1716928 - 01/09/10 08:51 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Boone 58]
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we killed all the dumb ones.thats what it is. the smart ones know how to travel without leaving tracks. \:D \:D \:D
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#1717366 - 01/10/10 09:25 AM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
One thing I have figured out over the years is you can kill many more, and go much longer, without the does going underground when you are killing them strictly with a Bow.


I bet that's true.
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#1717382 - 01/10/10 09:37 AM Re: Pressured Does [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
One thing I have figured out over the years is you can kill many more, and go much longer, without the does going underground when you are killing them strictly with a Bow.


I bet that's true.

It absolutely is BSK, as I've been involved with lowering the #'s on farms both ways, and with a bow you have much much more time before they completely blow a gasket, compared to when the guns are booming every day!

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#1717481 - 01/10/10 11:00 AM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Winchester]
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This year during the rifle opener, my brother and a friend decided to hunt together in a two-man stand to try to get a couple of does.(friend was a first time hunter)

They were succesful in doing so, as 9 does and fawns came out together and they killed two. The other 7 hung around for another 45 minutes or so, as they were waiting for the other their other two buddies that they have been traveling with for no telling how long to come with them. When they never came, I believe they become somewhat educated.(our doe sightings declined at that point) These deer could have been traveling together for years.

When you get a buck during rifle, he is most of the time, either alone or chasing a doe. If he is alone, then you are not educating any other deer. If he is chasing a doe, then you may educate that doe, but probably not. That buck had only been with her for a short period of time and was going to leave at some point in time anyway.

My brother is a meat hunter and would just assume kill does as bucks. After this year, I asked him to try to harvest single does, or not to harvest a doe out of a large group. It may help, only time will tell.

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#1717648 - 01/10/10 12:45 PM Re: Pressured Does [Re: Buckhunter72]
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 Originally Posted By: Buckhunter72
When you get a buck during rifle, he is most of the time, either alone or chasing a doe. If he is alone, then you are not educating any other deer. If he is chasing a doe, then you may educate that doe, but probably not. That buck had only been with her for a short period of time and was going to leave at some point in time anyway.


You're assuming that direct visual observation of events is the only way deer "learn." I suspect they learn by other methods (scent associated with all of the harvest activity). I firmly believe deer learn more by scent than any other factor.
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