#1713620 - 01/07/10 08:16 PM
Whats a man gotta do??
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cecil30-30
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What does a man have to do to be able to get a baiter busted?? I posted a few weeks ago,or more,about how a guy across the creek has a 2 man ladder stand up in his feild with a 5gal bucket feeder hanging from a limb about 50 yds in front of his stand..Now I don't know if anything is in it,but it seems to me that it would be content to bait even if nothing was in it..I know it wasn't there during bow season,cause i've been through that area during that time,and looked in the field,and neither the feeder or stand was up..I noticed it up a little before gun season..
Now im not one to complain,but how in the heck am I supposed to compete with a baiter or bait for that matter?? It gives the baiter an unfair advantage..If it was leagl,i'd do it,but its not,and therefore I follow the laws set forth by TWRA...But i do expect them to enforce their laws..
I called several times to my local WO,and he tried to get back to me 1 time if I remember correctly,I work 3pm to 11pm,he called while I was at work,he didn't leave a number he could be reached at..So I called him back and left my number and what times Im reachable..He never called back..Then he sets up on me, and tries to bust me hunting illegally with a rifle during bow season..(the bow season between the 2 gun seasons)I posted on that also,he said someone told him i was hunting with a gun during bowseason..He parked down the road and waited for me to come out of the woods that evening,and then surpised me by my truck..Little does he know i obey all game laws put forth by TWRA..
It resulted in a nice long talk and me informing him of the baiter,and I gave directions how to get to it from the proprty I hunt,(pretty straight foward) I even offered to take him anyday of the week before 3pm or anytime on the weekend..He said that if he didn't call me to show him that it meant that he went on his own..I watched the mudd holes and gravel to the place I hunt,I see it everyday,and nobody was in nor out of it for the whole week..So it has come to my conclusion that he never went to check it out..And yesterday I walked back to it and looked across the feild and both stand and feeder is up..
If he did go,you would have thought that he would have atleast made them take the feeder down even if there was no feed in it?? Would you think? Sorry for the long read,but it just burns me up..I know TWRA and WO are busy,but dang its been over a month ago.
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#1713642 - 01/07/10 08:31 PM
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sounds pretty sorry.If he had time to check you then he had time to go look at the bait site the same day.(maybe he did later but should have let you know)i really was upset to learn how many times people call Gw about poaching and they never get a call returned.this is total bs.If they are going to have a poacher hotline the least they could do is return a call to a person who is trying to do the right thing.I don't really understand it.I thought they would treat people better who are trying to help them.
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#1713648 - 01/07/10 08:36 PM
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I completely understand your situation, and I like TWRA and WO, BUT everyone and their momma is calling them this time of year and in their ear trying to get something done. They have alot of procedures not only by State Law but TWRA policy they follow. Now, I'm not fully taking up for them but they have an overwhelming job this time of year. I hope your situation gets better and something gets taken care of. Call the officers supervisor, and explain. If you keep bugging them something will get done, and alot of times thats what it takes is to call every single day. May tick the officer off but it still will get done. Take pictures of the feeder with a date on the pictures. Call local sheriff dept and get a case number along with on call magistrate dates. Talk to the county magistrate with all of owner's information, plus person hunting, then take all evidence and information and present it to the grand jury and try to get an indictment.
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#1713675 - 01/07/10 08:47 PM
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I completely understand your situation, and I like TWRA and WO, BUT everyone and their momma is calling them this time of year and in their ear trying to get something done. They have alot of procedures not only by State Law but TWRA policy they follow. Now, I'm not fully taking up for them but they have an overwhelming job this time of year. I hope your situation gets better and something gets taken care of. Call the officers supervisor, and explain. If you keep bugging them something will get done, and alot of times thats what it takes is to call every single day. May tick the officer off but it still will get done. Take pictures of the feeder with a date on the pictures. Call local sheriff dept and get a case number along with on call magistrate dates. Talk to the county magistrate with all of owner's information, plus person hunting, then take all evidence and information and present it to the grand jury and try to get an indictment.
Are you kidding?He has already done more than he should have had to.i know Gw are busy but they should atleast return phone calls.
I do agree that calling his boss is the way to get him to call you back.It is amazing how you can call a GW 10 times and not hear from him.call his boss and you will usually here from the GW that day.
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#1713694 - 01/07/10 09:00 PM
Re: Whats a man gotta do??
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I understand you shouldn't have to do that BUT if you want it taken care of and you can't get help Take the matter into your own hands. That is one of the biggest problem with us fair, law abiding hunters we blame the game warden for not doing their job and continously just call on the phone and say hey there tresspassing, or their poaching. Do you know how many of those calls they recieve every year and we don't give them enough evidence to do anything with ? We as citizens have the right to bring any criminal case in front of our county magistrates and grand jury's. If the game warden's ain't goin to help I'm simply trying to give Cecil 30-30 other options.
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#1713741 - 01/07/10 09:16 PM
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cecil30-30
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Like I said,its been about a month,maybe a little longer since I first reported it by phone..Don't you think,if he checked it out,that he would atleast make them take the feeder down? Seems that it would be attempt to bait or something of that nature with it hanging ther empty..Another thing that bothers me,is that he told me straight to my face that he would go checked it out within that week..He took my phone number and said that he may just call me to have me show him.But he then said,that if he didn't call me,that meant that he just went by hisself to check it out..
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#1713746 - 01/07/10 09:20 PM
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You have one man for a whole county of spot lighting,baiting,road hunting, and all the other wonderful things that happen. He is only allowed 40 hrs a week and they have families and lives also. Try to be understanding he may have already checked on it. Very true plus they are only allowed so much overtime and the rest is comp time that they cant use until later . they have to go investigate every call out also even after their off for the night.
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#1713754 - 01/07/10 09:23 PM
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I understand you shouldn't have to do that BUT if you want it taken care of and you can't get help Take the matter into your own hands. That is one of the biggest problem with us fair, law abiding hunters we blame the game warden for not doing their job and continously just call on the phone and say hey there tresspassing, or their poaching. Do you know how many of those calls they recieve every year and we don't give them enough evidence to do anything with ? We as citizens have the right to bring any criminal case in front of our county magistrates and grand jury's. If the game warden's ain't goin to help I'm simply trying to give Cecil 30-30 other options.
i understand that but always worry about giving advice like that.some people will get thierselves in more trouble than the people they are going after.
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#1713766 - 01/07/10 09:27 PM
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Its not illegal to have a feeder in a tree, BUT i do see your concern. I hope you get it taken care of cecil!
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#1713773 - 01/07/10 09:30 PM
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I'd give him the benefit of doubt. He may have a good reason for not having done it yet, you never know, something could have happened to him, sick, family, etc. I'd call again.
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#1713808 - 01/07/10 09:50 PM
Re: Whats a man gotta do??
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Like I said,its been about a month,maybe a little longer since I first reported it by phone..Don't you think,if he checked it out,that he would atleast make them take the feeder down? Seems that it would be attempt to bait or something of that nature with it hanging ther empty..Another thing that bothers me,is that he told me straight to my face that he would go checked it out within that week..He took my phone number and said that he may just call me to have me show him.But he then said,that if he didn't call me,that meant that he just went by hisself to check it out..
I would suspect he probably has checked and found the feeder to be empty. It is not a violation to have a feeder hanging if all traces of the grain is gone. It will likely be filed away to be checked in the future when there might be bait on site.
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#1713830 - 01/07/10 10:04 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it unless I knew for sure there was feed in it.
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#1713862 - 01/07/10 10:25 PM
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lots of ways the guy is legal. No bait in feeder or the guy isn't hunting that land. maybe he fed the deer once a month to keep them checking back. My dad decided we haven't got enough deer to kill more this year. So now I have corn and a camera out. I also have 8 stands out still. I am breaking no laws.
Now if you think the guy has feed in the feeder you can see and your hunting where deer could cross from your land to that feeder the way the law is written you could be considered to be hunting over bait.
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#1713940 - 01/07/10 11:33 PM
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What if the feeder is empty...? This means that there is not a crime being committed... Its not against the law to hang an empty feeder... We use PVC pipe feeders and we don't take them down once the season starts and they are empty... Even if they did put corn in it during the season, as long as they are not hunting it 10 days after they stopped putting corn out there is still no law that they broken.. From what I read we don't know and if you didn't check it we will never know...
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#1713960 - 01/08/10 12:06 AM
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JEL
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Sounds like you were tresspassing.
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#1714096 - 01/08/10 07:49 AM
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What does a man have to do to be able to get a baiter busted?? I posted a few weeks ago,or more,about how a guy across the creek has a 2 man ladder stand up in his feild with a 5gal bucket feeder hanging from a limb about 50 yds in front of his stand..Now I don't know if anything is in it,but it seems to me that it would be content to bait even if nothing was in it..I know it wasn't there during bow season,cause i've been through that area during that time,and looked in the field,and neither the feeder or stand was up..I noticed it up a little before gun season..
Now im not one to complain,but how in the heck am I supposed to compete with a baiter or bait for that matter?? It gives the baiter an unfair advantage..If it was leagl,i'd do it,but its not,and therefore I follow the laws set forth by TWRA...But i do expect them to enforce their laws..
I called several times to my local WO,and he tried to get back to me 1 time if I remember correctly,I work 3pm to 11pm,he called while I was at work,he didn't leave a number he could be reached at..So I called him back and left my number and what times Im reachable..He never called back..Then he sets up on me, and tries to bust me hunting illegally with a rifle during bow season..(the bow season between the 2 gun seasons)I posted on that also,he said someone told him i was hunting with a gun during bowseason..He parked down the road and waited for me to come out of the woods that evening,and then surpised me by my truck..Little does he know i obey all game laws put forth by TWRA..
It resulted in a nice long talk and me informing him of the baiter,and I gave directions how to get to it from the proprty I hunt,(pretty straight foward) I even offered to take him anyday of the week before 3pm or anytime on the weekend..He said that if he didn't call me to show him that it meant that he went on his own..I watched the mudd holes and gravel to the place I hunt,I see it everyday,and nobody was in nor out of it for the whole week..So it has come to my conclusion that he never went to check it out..And yesterday I walked back to it and looked across the feild and both stand and feeder is up..
If he did go,you would have thought that he would have atleast made them take the feeder down even if there was no feed in it?? Would you think? Sorry for the long read,but it just burns me up..I know TWRA and WO are busy,but dang its been over a month ago.
First............you may not have seen the feeder and stand up due to the foliage of the early season.
Secondly...........it's not illegal to hang a feeder and a stand close together, unless the feeder is being used. Why would the WO ask him to take it down?
Thirdly.....why do you consider hunting as a competition with your neighbor? Most times, deer care more about the lay of the land and the natural foods and less about a feeder....IMO.
And lastly........what evidence do you have that deer are using the feeder during hunting hours? Have you seen them beneath the feeder or have you heard the guy shooting over there more than usual? Maybe you should set up and try to take video of the feeder in use or deer under it.......(that is if it really bothers you that much).....
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#1714137 - 01/08/10 08:11 AM
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This topic brings me to a question I have. ?...Is it illegal to hang a feeder on a private piece of property that you are not hunting over. There is one area or piece of property that we decided not to hunt this year and we have been putting feed in the feeder all year. So am I breaking the law????
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#1714233 - 01/08/10 09:02 AM
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Sounds like you were tresspassing.
I understand that It may not be illegal to have an empty feeder in front of a stand,but I know for a fact this feeder wasn't up before ML season, why would someone hang an empty feeder and put a stnad up in front of it just for looks? I could see if it was there well before archery season,but it was not,and both sides of the creek are clear,so I can see across just fine..I never have trespassed!!
And JEL, if you would read a post all the way through before commenting,you would have noticed that I said I could look across the creek and see it..Even if I wanted to go look,I couldn't the creek is too deep and wide to cross without some sort of boat!
Edited by cecil30-30 (01/08/10 09:03 AM)
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#1714234 - 01/08/10 09:03 AM
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This topic brings me to a question I have. ?...Is it illegal to hang a feeder on a private piece of property that you are not hunting over. There is one area or piece of property that we decided not to hunt this year and we have been putting feed in the feeder all year. So am I breaking the law????
Thats perfectly legal...
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#1714245 - 01/08/10 09:09 AM
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This topic brings me to a question I have. ?...Is it illegal to hang a feeder on a private piece of property that you are not hunting over. There is one area or piece of property that we decided not to hunt this year and we have been putting feed in the feeder all year. So am I breaking the law???? Thats perfectly legal...
Thanks... Started to question myself there....
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#1715652 - 01/08/10 10:18 PM
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[quote=cecil30-30]What does a man have to do to be able to get a baiter busted?? I posted a few weeks ago,or more,about how a guy across the creek has a 2 man ladder stand up in his feild with a 5gal bucket feeder hanging from a limb about 50 yds in front of his stand..Now I don't know if anything is in it,but it seems to me that it would be content to bait even if nothing was in it..I know it wasn't there during bow season,cause i've been through that area during that time,and looked in the field,and neither the feeder or stand was up..I noticed it up a little before gun season..
Now im not one to complain,but how in the heck am I supposed to compete with a baiter or bait for that matter?? It gives the baiter an unfair advantage..If it was leagl,i'd do it,but its not,and therefore I follow the laws set forth by TWRA...But i do expect them to enforce their laws..
I called several times to my local WO,and he tried to get back to me 1 time if I remember correctly,I work 3pm to 11pm,he called while I was at work,he didn't leave a number he could be reached at..So I called him back and left my number and what times Im reachable..He never called back..Then he sets up on me, and tries to bust me hunting illegally with a rifle during bow season..(the bow season between the 2 gun seasons)I posted on that also,he said someone told him i was hunting with a gun during bowseason..He parked down the road and waited for me to come out of the woods that evening,and then surpised me by my truck..Little does he know i obey all game laws put forth by TWRA..
It resulted in a nice long talk and me informing him of the baiter,and I gave directions how to get to it from the proprty I hunt,(pretty straight foward) I even offered to take him anyday of the week before 3pm or anytime on the weekend..He said that if he didn't call me to show him that it meant that he went on his own..I watched the mudd holes and gravel to the place I hunt,I see it everyday,and nobody was in nor out of it for the whole week..So it has come to my conclusion that he never went to check it out..And yesterday I walked back to it and looked across the feild and both stand and feeder is up..
If he did go,you would have thought that he would have atleast made them take the feeder down even if there was no feed in it?? Would you think? Sorry for the long read,but it just burns me up..I know TWRA and WO are busy,but dang its been over a month ago.
First............you may not have seen the feeder and stand up due to the foliage of the early season.
Secondly...........it's not illegal to hang a feeder and a stand close together, unless the feeder is being used. Why would the WO ask him to take it down?
Thirdly.....why do you consider hunting as a competition with your neighbor? Most times, deer care more about the lay of the land and the natural foods and less about a feeder....IMO.
And lastly........what evidence do you have that deer are using the feeder during hunting hours? Have you seen them beneath the feeder or have you heard the guy shooting over there more than usual? Maybe you should set up and try to take video of the feeder in use or deer under it.......(that is if it really bothers you that much).....
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#1715665 - 01/08/10 10:25 PM
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cecil30-30
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Again JEL,your not reading all the posts in this topic...If you would have read,I said,that I know the feeder was put up sometime around the end of ML and begining of gun season.Both stand and feeder was put up at the same time..Why would you put both a feeder and stand up at the same time or about the same time if you wasn't going to use the feeder?? I know it wasn't there during archery season or during the first part of ML season..Both sides of the creek are cleared off,so no the foilage didn't prevent me from seeing it..Again,please read all the posts made on a topic..
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#1715674 - 01/08/10 10:34 PM
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I myself have my own land I have a spot where my feeder is and a ladder stand is that I have not hunted all year. Point being that if you don't know the whole story then don't tell it. That is one of the worst problems with people now days is they are always in someone elses business
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#1715695 - 01/08/10 10:50 PM
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Well,JEL,it has been discussed on here before with TWRA perssonel,that even if your not hunting the spot where you have bait,but are hunting the same property that the bait is on,then they can still cite you for baiting even though you wasn't hunting over bait,the deer are still under the infuluence of it.. Riddle me this, why would you bother putting a stand up overlooking a feeder if you have no intentions of hunting it? WHY? makes no sense to me..
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#1715720 - 01/08/10 11:02 PM
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I have extra stands I am the only one hunting my lan and it is my buisness what I do.
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#1715726 - 01/08/10 11:09 PM
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I have extra stands I am the only one hunting my lan and it is my buisness what I do.
Not if cecil's your neighbor.
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#1715734 - 01/08/10 11:16 PM
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#1715765 - 01/08/10 11:27 PM
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Worries about what others do, can distract you...from what you do. I used to worry, but I don't no more. The wildlife officers can only do so much. Get away from that creek boarder and move to the thickest part of your property, for this is where the "good" ones are "staging".
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#1716211 - 01/09/10 10:59 AM
Re: Whats a man gotta do??
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cecil30-30
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I have extra stands I am the only one hunting my lan and it is my buisness what I do. Not if cecil's your neighbor.
Are you suggesting that I trespass & hunt other people's stands? That's what it sounds like. I have no need to trespass. I have several properties that I hunt for free.
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#1716552 - 01/09/10 04:52 PM
Re: Whats a man gotta do??
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Yodel Dog
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Registered: 10/14/08
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Loc: Mid Tn
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I have extra stands I am the only one hunting my lan and it is my buisness what I do. Not if cecil's your neighbor. Are you suggesting that I trespass & hunt other people's stands? That's what it sounds like. I have no need to trespass. I have several properties that I hunt for free.
How in the world did you get that out of what I said? The man said what he does on his own land is his business. It seems you, cecil, are the one that's making your neighbor's business your own. So what if he's got a feeder up in front of his stand. Until you catch him hunting over bait, there's nothing you can do. I'm all about obeying the law, but one needs proof and from what you have told us, you have none.
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