#1712153 - 01/07/10 08:34 AM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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#1712165 - 01/07/10 08:40 AM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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#1712246 - 01/07/10 09:07 AM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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gator-n-buck
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Hunters:53
Bucks:49
Still waiting on several to add to this survey.... How many bucks have you killed in TN this year (No draw hunts or bonus bucks)?...
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#1712585 - 01/07/10 10:56 AM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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gator-n-buck
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So far from several post we have learned this.... P.S. The reason I bring this up is because its one of the biggest debates (buck limits) on here but I think in the end, hunters do a good job of monitoring the number of bucks they kill depending on their goals... If you remeber thats from my 1st post... Many hunters have stated that they have passed on bucks and not filled their tags....
P.S. Thanks for getting so upset with a simple thread... Makes you wonder why it has given you such a bellyache... 
This survey it not going to prove any points...... You might be taken it a little too serious... Oh, by the way, I never got the number of bucks you killed this season?
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#1712898 - 01/07/10 01:24 PM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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Trophy hunting is the future of our sport. It's changing already, whether you like it or not.
I agree completely. And it SHOULD be for 99% of hunters (those who do not depend on deer meat for sustinence).
But probably not how you define 'trophy'...
Let me explain myself. In today's world, where food is readily available, and if you're too poor to afford food it is provided to you via food stamps through the US govt, deer hunting has become nothing more than a sport. Don't fool yourself or kid yourself- that is all it is. We hunt because we love the chase and the kill. But that's where 'trophy' comes in... we must still realize that in order for us to get our kicks and giggles, it often means taking the life of another creature. And (in my opinion, only) that also means we should not take it lightly. So, again (in my opinion, only), whatever we decide to kill, we should be darn proud of it and it should be considered a 'trophy'. Now what is considered a 'trophy' to each individual will be different. For some, it may very well be a yearling spike... heck, I was just as proud at the time of my first 3" spike I killed back in 1984 as my 185" buck I killed a couple years ago. For others, it may be only a mature buck, while others it may be ANY deer, doe or buck.
And that's the way deer hunting SHOULD be- the hunter is thrilled with what they've killed- whatever is or isn't on top of the deer's head.
For me, personally, I lost the excitement in killing 1.5 and 2.5 yr old bucks, because it no longer became a challenge... after a few years of only hunting 3.5 yr olds, that became boring as well. My definition of 'trophy' has changed the longer I've hunted...
but it's also important to be realistic with what one considers a 'trophy'... for example, in TN, if you base your definition of 'trophy' on gross antler scores, eventually, you will have killed so many 120-130" bucks you run out of wall space. So naturally, you want to kill 150" bucks- which now becomes a BIG problem in TN... there just aren't realistically huntable numbers of 150" bucks in TN, not only because of age, but because so few bucks have the genetic potential to grow 150" of bone, nor the nutrition to reach that potential.
So, I'm realistic with my goals- I can reasonably expect to kill a 4.5 yr old buck every other year in TN. And that's a trophy to me- and I could care less how many inches of bone he grew. I can control what I shoot, or don't shoot, but I can only slightly influence what the deer will grow on his head (through herd management, doe harvest, rotational grazing of my cattle, food plots, etc).
But others may have limited time, limited property, etc to the point where their individual realistic goal may be to take a 2.5 yr old buck, or even just any buck. And as long as they are proud and consider it a 'trophy' to them, then I'm all good with that.
Which brings me to my next point 
I think in the end, hunters do a good job of monitoring the number of bucks they kill depending on their goals...
As a general rule, I believe you are correct. But I'm also a big believer in 'original Sin', or that human nature, if left unchecked, generally leads to more evil than good. In other words, it's because of a few 'bad' hunters who choose to abuse the resource, (overharvest of does or bucks on a local single property) that we need limits to protect the resource.
Most of the folks on TNdeer are avid hunters, and therefore more likely to actually know what is out there in their local herd (through trail cam census, numerous hours on treestand, living on the property, etc), but some will choose to shoot every buck they see during the season, not even knowing how many were left in the herd at the end of the season.
And I can't stand the argument, "If TWRA sets the limit at 'X', then it must be OK, and I'm going to kill 'X' ". That limit may be just fine on your property, but it could also lead to a disasterous overharvest/abuse of the resource depending on your local herd composition/density. TWRA limits must be viewed as a guideline only.
And, no, I'm not a '1 buck limit' guy, but I do think 3 is too high for many small properties in the state.
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#1712927 - 01/07/10 01:36 PM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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Tree Tramp
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great post mega!
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#1713065 - 01/07/10 02:13 PM
Re: Not a one buck limit thread....
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Don't think for one second the next generation, after growing up with Waddel and every other hunting celebrity, will be content with the same caliber bucks we are today. Everything changes, we are crazy to think hunting will be any different. Trophy hunting is the future of our sport. It's changing already, whether you like it or not.
I hope at the end of the day the man/dad/husband/hunter my son becomes is molded by me and not some TV personality. If not I have failed him miserably.
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