#1710339 - 01/06/10 10:55 AM
My high fence rut hunt experience
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megalomaniac
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New years day, I got to hunt inside a 550 acre high fence down here. Interesting experience for sure, nerve-racking, however...
A little background...
A buddy enclosed 550 acres 4 years ago just to see what the local deer would grow here in South MS with little pressure and expanded food sources. He feeds protein pellets on demand throughout the year, the 550 acres is in 5-15 yr old pines (varying ages in blocks) with around 30 acres in various foodplots. Coyotes have been all trapped out, but a few occasionally dig underneath the fence.
After a few years, he was growing some massive 8 ptrs (5-5.5" bases, 22" beams), but realized his local genetics just weren't going to produce mainframe 10's for the really high scores. You can't legally purchase deer in Mississippi, but he's got good connections within the state game department, so he acquired 2 orphaned/rehabilitated buck fawns and 4 orphaned/rehabilitated doe fawns from the MS delta (known for larger bodies and often typical 10pt frames) and Noxubee county (known for nontypical genetics). The buck fawns are now 3.5 yrs old and will score 145-155".
This year, his goal was to remove all the bucks 2.5 yrs old and older with mainframe 8 pts or less (preferably prior to breeding), along with as many does as possible (save the ones with big yellow ear tags- the ones brought in from the Delta and Noxubee county). Of course, all the doe fawns and buck fawns (which may carry the new genetics) he did not want killed.
Prior to my hunt, 20 does and 4 bucks had been killed this season, all the bucks were 8 pts or less and still would have scored 115-135", 3 of the 4 bucks were killed in the past week- peak of the prerut in the area. Prior to last week, very few bucks had even been seen.
My goal was to kill a couple of does, as I didn't want to kill a buck unless it was a really old deer. He does have a 6.5 yr old 8 ptr (will score around 150" despite 3" browtines!) which has been seen in daylight only once in the past 3 years, and the hunter didn't have a clear shot.
So, in essence, I had the green light on does (save the yellow ear tag ones), and any buck 2.5 yrs old or older with 8 pts or less. To complicate matters, he also had a couple of recent imports- button buck fawns with TINY blue ear tags... almost impossible to see more than 100 yards away.
I set up on a gas pipeline planted in clover with 500 yard shots in both directions. After around an hour, a single antlerless deer came out at 500 yards and fed- but it was impossible to tell for sure it wasn't a spike or button buck at that distance so I passed. Another 30 minutes later, a 2.5 yr old buck with 7 or 8 pts came out at 80 yards. He was a nice 90-95" deer with a 15" spread, but not a buck I had any desire to kill. Saw a few more young deer I'm assuming were orphaned fawns. About 20 minutes before end of legal shooting time, I had what I thought was a doe come out at 300 yards. I looked it over, no ear tags, but it was feeding toward me so I waited for it to get closer. Of course, I was suspicious of any deer by itself, as they are often button bucks or small spikes, and I'm glad I waited, as it turned out to be a spike/button with 2" antlers.
So I finished out the hunt without a kill, but it was an interesting experience... not necessarily enjoyable due to the pressure of having to be 110% sure you weren't killing a button buck or an older buck with more than 8 pts.
One definetly wouldn't be able to shoot a deer in the first 15 minutes of morning or the last 15 minutes of the evening hunt.
The other thing I found interesting is that they have a mature buck in that 550 acres that has only been seen once. Also one of the 4.5 yr old deer they killed last week had never been photographed by trail cameras, meaning he had learned to avoid the feed stations/ cameras altogether (they don't rotate camera locations often).
It's a neat experiment for sure, but wasn't as much fun as hunting my own properties in TN.
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#1710375 - 01/06/10 11:08 AM
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The other thing I found interesting is that they have a mature buck in that 550 acres that has only been seen once. Also one of the 4.5 yr old deer they killed last week had never been photographed by trail cameras, meaning he had learned to avoid the feed stations/ cameras altogether (they don't rotate camera locations often).
It's a neat experiment for sure, but wasn't as much fun as hunting my own properties in TN.
Just curious as thier usuall hunting methods...Are there stands mostly permanent? Do they actively move on the deer within the fence to try and locate them in an attemp to kill em or do they generaly sit and wait for the deer to show thierselfs?....
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#1710381 - 01/06/10 11:12 AM
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Interesting read...thanks for sharing.
How does one go about fencing such a large area? In other words what type of fence and installation...maintenance? That seems like it would be an intensive and expensive undertaking.
Makes you wonder just how many deer inside the fence have NEVER been seen or captured on camera.
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#1710418 - 01/06/10 11:36 AM
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It is interesting to say the least. I heard it was like 15 thousand a mile for 8 foot fence. With all the rules it takes a lot of the fun out of it. I have a hard time believin that they have not seen all the deer on a 550 acre farm.
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#1710421 - 01/06/10 11:39 AM
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#1710567 - 01/06/10 12:52 PM
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The other thing I found interesting is that they have a mature buck in that 550 acres that has only been seen once. Also one of the 4.5 yr old deer they killed last week had never been photographed by trail cameras, meaning he had learned to avoid the feed stations/ cameras altogether (they don't rotate camera locations often).
It's a neat experiment for sure, but wasn't as much fun as hunting my own properties in TN. Just curious as thier usuall hunting methods...Are there stands mostly permanent? Do they actively move on the deer within the fence to try and locate them in an attemp to kill em or do they generaly sit and wait for the deer to show thierselfs?....
Stand hunting, no drives. Occasionally if they see a potential shooter (cull) at a distance, they will try to stalk closer to look the animal over, and get a shot.
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#1710570 - 01/06/10 12:54 PM
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Interesting read...thanks for sharing.
How does one go about fencing such a large area? In other words what type of fence and installation...maintenance? That seems like it would be an intensive and expensive undertaking.
Makes you wonder just how many deer inside the fence have NEVER been seen or captured on camera.
They erected a 10' fence approx 50 feet to the inside of their property line and cleared all timber 50 feet inside the fence. That way there's no worries about trees, etc falling on the fence. Total cost approx $100,000; not cheap at all, but easy to maintain once it's up.
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#1710572 - 01/06/10 12:55 PM
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It is interesting to say the least. I heard it was like 15 thousand a mile for 8 foot fence. With all the rules it takes a lot of the fun out of it. I have a hard time believin that they have not seen all the deer on a 550 acre farm.
Remember, 500 acres or so is dense, thick stuff. Hunters probably wouldn't be able to kill many bucks if they didn't screw up during the rut looking for does.
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#1710573 - 01/06/10 12:56 PM
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That is cool. 550 acres is alot of land. I betcha he will be producing some good ones in a few years if he can structure that herd as he has planned.
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#1710580 - 01/06/10 01:03 PM
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Just a great example why hunters should have great binocs on stand. Solid identification can be key for alot of managed properties. Great job of telling this interesting story.
As a libertarian and knowing how Texas deer "sales" go I would think the "black market" for high grade bucks must be an interesting one.
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#1710581 - 01/06/10 01:04 PM
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Sounds interesting, keep us posted as to how it works out for him. Sounds like he is all in with the effort and money!
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#1710603 - 01/06/10 01:23 PM
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qdma estimates some parts of tn with more than 45 deer per sq mile. dont know if that is accurate but it aint high fenced and they thrive.
Your friend must have some seriously deep pockets.  It is hard for me to imagine that many deer in less than 1 square mile of area. What is that, like 30 deer per 7/8 square mile? And that is just what you saw or know of. Wow!!! (I am referring to the numbers before they harvested the 24 this season.) What does that do to herd health I wonder? I am not trying to argue with you or belittle his operation, I am just curious about this kind of stuff. pkv
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#1710614 - 01/06/10 01:31 PM
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As a libertarian and knowing how Texas deer "sales" go I would think the "black market" for high grade bucks must be an interesting one.
Yup, he owned a buck in Texas that scored over 200" as a 2 yr old... he was thinking about doing a 'midnight run', but decided jail time wasn't worth it, so he sold off the buck.
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#1710621 - 01/06/10 01:39 PM
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WOW! I wouldn't have enjoyed that one little bit, but to each his own.
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#1710625 - 01/06/10 01:41 PM
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Your friend must have some seriously deep pockets. It is hard for me to imagine that many deer in less than 1 square mile of area. What is that, like 30 deer per 7/8 square mile? And that is just what you saw or know of. Wow!!! (I am referring to the numbers before they harvested the 24 this season.) What does that do to herd health I wonder? I am not trying to argue with you or belittle his operation, I am just curious about this kind of stuff. pkv
I wouldn't be unreasonable to expect carrying capacity around 50 deer in the enclosure prehunt (excluding fawns), so long as rainfall is reasonable. Herd health has never been a problem until this year, when we experienced absolutely no rainfall whatsoever during the month of June and August. Early signs of overbrowsing developed, so he's dropping the herd to 35 animals for next year. That's one of the big reasons for the push to remove all the bucks 8 pts or less this season.
The enclosure (as are all in Mississippi) is monitored by a MDWFP biologist to ensure that the deer are healthy.
It's rather funny, however...
I know another acquaintence who has 600 acres in a high fence close to the MS river. His fence went up 6 years ago, and his philosophy has been to harvest as many does as possible the past 6 years without killing any bucks until last year. As a consequence, he as around a 2-3 buck:doe ratio and numerous 6.5 yr old bucks running around on the property. But since last year, they've starting picking off the top end bucks last year and this year (including a 170" mainframe 10). But the fully mature 6 ptrs are getting passed up.
In other words, one highfence property will be continually improving genetics, while the other will be continually degrading antler genetics. But the difference in soil may still keep the property close to the River with better overall gross scores.
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#1710733 - 01/06/10 03:04 PM
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years.
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#1710747 - 01/06/10 03:19 PM
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good post john
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#1710830 - 01/06/10 04:04 PM
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Michigan did a study/experiment many years ago, while I was in College. It was an attempt to fence, then KILL, EVERY SINGLE deer inside this fenced area. They did stand hunts, drives, you name it. Guess what? They NEVER killed all the deer. Some simply avoided the hunters and NEVER got killed.
I forget what the name of the study is, but it proved a point I'll never forget. Mature bucks/does may be ABSOLUTELY un-seen. But it does not mean they are not there.
Most times, mature deer know you are hunting them LONG before you EVER know they are there.
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#1710833 - 01/06/10 04:07 PM
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sounds cool,would love to see it
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#1710898 - 01/06/10 04:32 PM
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I remeber that. many years ago and it was square mile fenced area.
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#1711169 - 01/06/10 06:59 PM
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I was really fascinated by that study, John. It was before I ever killed a deer and I thought it was astounding that an ani,al could evade hunters like that. I remember meeting a guy a few years later who taught a Nat'l Bowhunter Education course. I think his name was Jim Barnhart or something like that. He was the first person I ever met who actually could kill deer on purpose with a bow. He told me about a few other things deer would do when thay knew thay were being hunted. I was amazed and somewhat in dis-belief. Figuring he was probably exagerating.
A few years later, things began to pile up for my own personal experiences. And I learned that deer hunting had MANY levels.
To name a few:
There is your everyday meat and potato hunter.
Then there is your meat hunter.
Then there is your buck hunter.
Then there is your MATURE buck hunter...an ENTIRELY different animal.
I am of the opinion, that the VAST MAJORITY of MATURE deer, killed on public land (and in this I include private land that is small in size ((less than 3000 acres depending on terrain)), are killed by accident. I believe that MOST times, the hunter had NO IDEA that buck existed and had not seen it before.
THe exception is probably that the hunter may have seen it on trail cam.
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#1711258 - 01/06/10 07:24 PM
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Nice read , thanks for sharing.
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#1711332 - 01/06/10 07:46 PM
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I am of the opinion, that the VAST MAJORITY of MATURE deer, killed on public land (and in this I include private land that is small in size ((less than 3000 acres depending on terrain)), are killed by accident. I believe that MOST times, the hunter had NO IDEA that buck existed and had not seen it before.
THe exception is probably that the hunter may have seen it on trail cam.
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Just because I didn't know a particular deer is there, does not mean he was killed on accident.....public or private land.
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#1711437 - 01/06/10 08:35 PM
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years.
You forgot Sam Kinison.
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#1711444 - 01/06/10 08:38 PM
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years. You forgot Sam Kinison.
wow way to be a jerk and run down a good post.
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#1711465 - 01/06/10 08:50 PM
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I think this would be a blast to keep up with the results of this property. Your lucky to hunt it even for a learning experience.
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#1711507 - 01/06/10 09:11 PM
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Amen Rich, I am lucky to see firsthand this experiment.
He and I are pretty good friends, same Sunday school class at church. His 5yr old daughter and my 5 yr old son are buddies as well (hopefully he'll marry her someday )
I just hope he lets me fish his 2 yr old 17 ac lake on the property... he's catching 2 yr old F1 hybrid largemouths weighing 7-8 lbs already!!!!
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#1711556 - 01/06/10 09:26 PM
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I am of the opinion, that the VAST MAJORITY of MATURE deer, killed on public land . . . . . are killed by accident.
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There are two ways you can look at this, and the way Pass-Thru is looking is how I'm looking.
It may be that the vast majority of mature bucks are killed "by accident" simply because the vast majority of deer hunters are not specifically mature buck hunters.
On the other hand, the vast majority of mature bucks killed by mature buck hunters are NOT by accident. It is no accident that we mature buck hunters repeatedly pass up younger bucks until an older buck comes along. I've killed several mature bucks on public lands, most after having passed up 2 1/2 & 3 1/2-yr-old bucks that few people would consider passing (especially on public land), and most after hunting all day, sometimes having a few minutes or an hour's break only to change stand locations in mid-day.
Whether I've previously seen a particular mature buck or not, I don't consider it an accident when I kill him. Rather, it's the result of much hard hunting, specifically for the purpose of taking a mature buck, known or unknown. But having said that, I am usually hunting for a specific mature buck, it's just that I'm willing to take any other mature buck in the process.
And in many circumstances I've even found it easier to kill a mature buck on some public lands than some private lands, simply because there is often less competition from other true mature buck hunters on public land.
Look at it this way.
Say you have a 5,000-acre WMA that's under a fair amount of hunting pressure, but you're the only real mature buck hunter that's hunting on it. You have little competition for any mature buck on the area, and all you need is one. But then consider the 5,000-acre private hunting club where there's 40 members and 10 of them are very accomplished mature buck hunters. The private land may have to grow 10 times more mature bucks just to give me the same opportunity I might have on a 5,000-acre public WMA. So I enjoy doing my mature buck hunting on both public & private lands.
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#1711564 - 01/06/10 09:28 PM
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I am lucky to see firsthand this experiment.
Very interesting to say the least, although I'm not a fan of high fences.
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#1711662 - 01/06/10 10:07 PM
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102- Might interest you to know, Jim Barnhart developed ASAT camo along with Stan Star. Jim was never a particularly good hunter but he was a tremendous researcher. He was a bit like BSK in many ways. And I mean that in a good way. Jim would rather try and figure out why a deer did something than shoot him. I never knew him to shoot a gun, don't even think he owned one but I saw shoot a lot quail with a bow.
I spent many hours in the woods with him and even hired for a couple years. We had some tremendous debates about deer vision and vocalization. I hated it when he went around the bend. His work on deer vision was so far ahead of the pack it was ridiculous. All the the things he said are now standard and the camo patterns he developed have now been copied. The 3-D suit everybody is selling was his invention 20 years ago.
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#1711732 - 01/06/10 10:50 PM
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years. You forgot Sam Kinison.
And, lighten up RAFI. richmanbbq may be a jerk, and I know that I am, but saying something light doesn't make us one.
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#1711779 - 01/06/10 11:52 PM
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The 3-D suit everybody is selling was his invention 20 years ago. And I've got an original, 1st edition one (bought in '91 or '92, I believe) in ASAT camo. That suit has been worn every turkey season since, then, several whitetail bow seasons and the past 5 elk seasons and it's almost as good as it was new. I bet if I bought one today, it would last 6 months at the most. Wow, this thread has just about covered everything
I got one of the originals also,it's just the top but still in great condition.
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#1711810 - 01/07/10 04:36 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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WELL said Wes Parish,
And I agree. I am not really making my statement based on anything but an overall average of hunters I've spoken to. And by far, MOST had not targeted A SPECIFIC buck.
But point well made. In fact, I don't think I have ever thought of it quite like that. There are specific things one does when one wants to kill mature deer. I look for patterns in weather and feeding trends. Also a specific time of year and specific MATURE deer hiding/travel places. And ESPECIALLY doe areas during the rut. So, like pass-thru says...just because...(he makes a good point)
On the other hand, take a few thousand hi powered RIFLE hunters and sprinkle them over public land in mid to late November (rather rutty), you get my meaning.
Hunting for any available mature buck is EXTREMELY difficult. CONSISTENTLY killing a SPECIFIC, known, "target" mature buck, on public land, with any regularity, is almost impossible. Both take luck AND skill to accomplish.
John, whatever happened to him? I enjoyed his teachings. In fact. every time the sun hits my glass rims or temples, I think of him. (long story)
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#1711954 - 01/07/10 06:48 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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102, I'm not sure what happened. He got in bad shape, got divorced and then just vanished. Smartest man when it comes to deer vision I ever met. I don't know of anyone who knows where he is or what happened. BTW he was a pretty dang good football player, too.
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#1712154 - 01/07/10 08:34 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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I am of the opinion, that the VAST MAJORITY of MATURE deer, killed on public land (and in this I include private land that is small in size ((less than 3000 acres depending on terrain)), are killed by accident. I believe that MOST times, the hunter had NO IDEA that buck existed and had not seen it before.
THe exception is probably that the hunter may have seen it on trail cam.
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Just because I didn't know a particular deer is there, does not mean he was killed on accident.....public or private land.
I agree 100% Pass-thru.
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#1712174 - 01/07/10 08:44 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years. You forgot Sam Kinison. wow way to be a jerk and run down a good post.
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#1712444 - 01/07/10 10:11 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years. You forgot Sam Kinison. wow way to be a jerk and run down a good post. WOW WOW on your 81st post you call someone a JERK!Lighten up Francis!
He pm'ed me and it's cool. The bad thing is my joke must have went over most peoples head. It was either not that funny or ?..... I, frankly, thought it was very funny.
The nut of it was I was just "name dropping".
I feel bad this post has been hi-jacked, I think it is a very interesting topic.
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#1712679 - 01/07/10 11:28 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years. You forgot Sam Kinison. wow way to be a jerk and run down a good post. WOW WOW on your 81st post you call someone a JERK!Lighten up Francis! He pm'ed me and it's cool. The bad thing is my joke must have went over most peoples head. It was either not that funny or ?..... I, frankly, thought it was very funny. The nut of it was I was just "name dropping". I feel bad this post has been hi-jacked, I think it is a very interesting topic.
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#1712816 - 01/07/10 12:38 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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I loved Sam Kinison... didn't he die of a drug overdose?
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#1712866 - 01/07/10 01:11 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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car wreck I think.
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#1712881 - 01/07/10 01:20 PM
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I loved Sam Kinison... didn't he die of a drug overdose? either that or he stroked out i cant remember
or all of the above...
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#1712931 - 01/07/10 01:37 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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#1713041 - 01/07/10 02:01 PM
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My favorite S K bit was when he was talking about the Ethiopians and said, "YOU CAN'T GROW A GARDEN IN THE DESERT!"
Funny guy!
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#1713082 - 01/07/10 02:22 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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Yes, hit head on by a drunk driver in a pickup truck. Supposedly Kinison had been sober for months(no booze OR drugs).
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#1713094 - 01/07/10 02:33 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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Took me forever to remember who Sam was. Corey I knew right off.
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#1713183 - 01/07/10 03:48 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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You can't legally purchase deer in Mississippi, but he's got good connections within the state game department,
Hey mega, what about A.I.? Does MS allow that? That would be helpful to adding to his gene pool for sure. I'm sure with his type of operation he has thought of it, but just curious if the law even states that or not.
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#1713852 - 01/07/10 10:23 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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Took me forever to remember who Sam was. Corey I knew right off.
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#1714369 - 01/08/10 10:03 AM
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I have A.I.'D cattle and we we a.I. All our dogs with both frozen and chilled semen. Don't know how in the world you could could a.I. A free roaming whitetail. Even if you could capture and contain her, the chance of locating her in that tiny window of fertility would be tough.
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#1714436 - 01/08/10 10:30 AM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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I believe that pretty well proves what you and I and BSK and BGG have been saying for several years. You forgot Sam Kinison. wow way to be a jerk and run down a good post. WOW WOW on your 81st post you call someone a JERK!Lighten up Francis! He pm'ed me and it's cool. The bad thing is my joke must have went over most peoples head. It was either not that funny or ?..... I, frankly, thought it was very funny. The nut of it was I was just "name dropping". I feel bad this post has been hi-jacked, I think it is a very interesting topic.
I caught it Rich, ands isnt that what You, I, and George Bush, and Ronald Reagan have been telling you guys for years!!! LOL
I know xactly what ya talkn bout, hero in his own mind! lol
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#1715011 - 01/08/10 04:59 PM
Re: My high fence rut hunt experience
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Johnnycage,
My buddy isn't into it to the extent that he wants to have deer in a tiny pen for breeding. There are a few high fence breeding operations in MS where AI is used, but the problem is again, you can't sell offspring in MS.
That being said, a couple of our wildlife commisioners have recently gotten into AI deer farms, so I strongly suspect they're planning on changing the laws regarding the sale of whitetails in the very near future.
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#1715022 - 01/08/10 05:07 PM
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Johnnycage,
That being said, a couple of our wildlife commisioners have recently gotten into AI deer farms, so I strongly suspect they're planning on changing the laws regarding the sale of whitetails in the very near future.
That's too bad. The commericaliztion of deer is something that really bothers me.
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#1715241 - 01/08/10 07:13 PM
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People dont how to hunt them so they put a fence up and bring in some hired "commisioners" so the can kill a deer in a shooting house with direct tv. Its fat wallet huntin.
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