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#1710110 - 01/06/10 08:36 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: Whitehorse]
JSassassin
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 Originally Posted By: Whitehorse
Heck if I know? I sure haven't hurt the herd, except for the one doe I hit with the truck... \:D


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#1710123 - 01/06/10 08:46 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: JSassassin]
MUP
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Heck, all I saw this year WAS yearlings, with the exception of the 2-1/2 yr old I took during ML opening day. Maybe all the mature bucks have been killed?
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#1710134 - 01/06/10 08:49 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: RKenney]
CopperHead77
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 Originally Posted By: RKenney
Most of the hunters that I have talked to, could have killed 3
bucks, but they didn't. I wonder why? Could there be some kind
of self imposed limit going on......on baby bucks?

Bigger bucks being killed every year now. I wonder why?


The soil is getting better \:D

Seriously,I also believe it's just like you said,self imposed limits,and it's catching on.
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#1710139 - 01/06/10 08:50 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: JSassassin]
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I think one of two things is happening, either we are still seeing the negative effects of the 2007 year where so many things were bad, EHD, Drought, late freeze, no mast crop, etc. Or maybe TN has topped out and is now leveling back off in terms of Total harvest, as this appears this will be the 3'rd year in a row of declining total harvest. We have had so many things change in the last 3 years its hard to compare them to the past. For example, all the negative affects I mentioned earlier, paired with increased opportunity for hunters, as well as increasing the buck limit, and in some parts of the season and state it was increased by a HUGE amount. It would appear the harvest should have increased, but yet its decreasing. Question is, are these changes due to hunters being more selective and using self restraint (which I think is happening) or is it due to the deer herd???
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#1710140 - 01/06/10 08:51 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: gator-n-buck]
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In 25 years of hunting I have never killed more than 2 bucks, and that has been only twice. I don't think it's THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM.
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#1710161 - 01/06/10 09:03 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: gator-n-buck]
mathews338
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
Maybe Tn hunters are buying license in other states and chasing horns and it has helped TN... That brings up another point... If these other states are selling a lot more out of state license and they have a one buck limit... Is it really a one buck limit when they have more hunter coming in killing more bucks?


It is when they limit the number of buck tags sold.


I think it comes down to bigger horns and we can't change that... If we closed hunting down for 3 seasons, we still couldn't compete with these one buck limit states that everybody wants to compare TN too.
don't get me wrong i would never go for closing the buck season but i think TN would come really close to those other states in terms of big bucks and the only reason i say that is because of the bucks that i know were killed when the seasons first opened in some areas examples are

oakridge
standing stone state park
jackson co.
overton co.
etc.

i list these areas because i know for a fact what was killed the first few years they were open, giants were killed

i'm good friends with a guy that is in his 70's and he killed a giant the first year jackson was open and said all the time that he wished he knowed then what he knows now he could have gotten a few more like that he just got lucky he said because they knew nothing about deer hunting

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#1710175 - 01/06/10 09:12 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: Winchester]
Yodel Dog
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I think one of two things is happening, either we are still seeing the negative effects of the 2007 year where so many things were bad, EHD, Drought, late freeze, no mast crop, etc. Or maybe TN has topped out and is now leveling back off in terms of Total harvest, as this appears this will be the 3'rd year in a row of declining total harvest. We have had so many things change in the last 3 years its hard to compare them to the past. For example, all the negative affects I mentioned earlier, paired with increased opportunity for hunters, as well as increasing the buck limit, and in some parts of the season and state it was increased by a HUGE amount. It would appear the harvest should have increased, but yet its decreasing. Question is, are these changes due to hunters being more selective and using self restraint (which I think is happening) or is it due to the deer herd???


I hunt in Unit L where the perception is there's a deer behind every tree. Four of us hunt two farms, one is 240 acres, the other is 350. Any buck over 1 1/2 is fair game if he turns you on. This is the worst year we've ever had on these two farms. We weren't any more selective than any other year, the deer simply weren't there. My honest opinion is too many things have been going on the last couple of years to make a solid case as far as harvest numbers go. Hunters being more selective (the state as a whole), EHD, drought, regulation changes, lengthened seasons....all these things, in my opinion, make it very difficult to nail down any one factor as to what exactly is happening. I think after a few stable years, we'll have a better understanding.
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#1710199 - 01/06/10 09:26 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: Yodel Dog]
tndrbstr
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
I think one of two things is happening, either we are still seeing the negative effects of the 2007 year where so many things were bad, EHD, Drought, late freeze, no mast crop, etc. Or maybe TN has topped out and is now leveling back off in terms of Total harvest, as this appears this will be the 3'rd year in a row of declining total harvest. We have had so many things change in the last 3 years its hard to compare them to the past. For example, all the negative affects I mentioned earlier, paired with increased opportunity for hunters, as well as increasing the buck limit, and in some parts of the season and state it was increased by a HUGE amount. It would appear the harvest should have increased, but yet its decreasing. Question is, are these changes due to hunters being more selective and using self restraint (which I think is happening) or is it due to the deer herd???


I hunt in Unit L where the perception is there's a deer behind every tree. Four of us hunt two farms, one is 240 acres, the other is 350. Any buck over 1 1/2 is fair game if he turns you on. This is the worst year we've ever had on these two farms. We weren't any more selective than any other year, the deer simply weren't there. My honest opinion is too many things have been going on the last couple of years to make a solid case as far as harvest numbers go. Hunters being more selective (the state as a whole), EHD, drought, regulation changes, lengthened seasons....all these things, in my opinion, make it very difficult to nail down any one factor as to what exactly is happening. I think after a few stable years, we'll have a better understanding.



I agree,..and we may never fully understand it....When things come togeather like they have the last few seasons in this somewhat of a perfect storm , it is going to be difficult to pinpoint any one determing factor significantly out weighing the others I believe...

This will be the second season in a row that I have chosen not to use any of my special quota doe permits in the area of unit B that I hunt...and I've let every buck walk for the last three seasons....

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#1710206 - 01/06/10 09:32 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: Yodel Dog]
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: BSK
I think most are surprised by the results. It appears we killed the highest number of 3 1/2+ year-old bucks ever, and the lowest number of yearlings in decades.


Maybe because there were less yearlings to kill. I saw fewer than I've ever seen. Fewer does to get bred during the 07 EHD outbreak, would equal fewer 1 1/2 year olds this year. Just a thought.


That theory has merit. But in the areas I monitor, I didn't see a significantly lower number of yearling bucks.

Now I have witnessed a fairly significant reduction in TOTAL deer numbers over the last two years, but yearlings still are the largest single age-class of deer, just like they should be.
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#1710211 - 01/06/10 09:34 AM Re: Did we kill all the young bucks ? [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Heck, all I saw this year WAS yearlings, with the exception of the 2-1/2 yr old I took during ML opening day. Maybe all the mature bucks have been killed?


Look at the thread asking who killed a mature buck this year. A shockingly high number of hunters are reporting killing not only one, but multiple mature bucks. It looks like TN hunters killed the highest number of 3 1/2+ year-old bucks ever this year.
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