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#1707649 - 01/04/10 09:00 PM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: adamf5353]
ruger7mag
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Thanks for the replies.
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#1707660 - 01/04/10 09:04 PM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: adamf5353]
RKenney
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Also, honeysuckle is almost unmatched as far as a protective sanctuary for the Whitetail Deer. In late winter, it not only
provides food for the deer, but it is great secure cover and
protects them the elements. One time in Hickman County, years
ago, it was so cold with the wind blowing, that I even went into
a big honeysuckle thicket to get some relief (ha).

These areas can be hunted in the interior of the thicket, if you
find the right spot and the wind is right.

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#1708018 - 01/05/10 07:19 AM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: Quailman]
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
 Originally Posted By: BSK

But if you don't have honeysuckle, you have too many deer. I know of few if any areas that don't have honeysuckle unless deer are eating it out of existence


Not true BSK. I can show thousands of acres of properties (including my own) I've worked on that have no honeysuckle whatsoever. Why? Because it was never introduced and never allowed to spread. Is it used a late winter food source? Of course, but it is low quality. Very low in fat (that deer need at this time of year), so it is slightly above woody browse in value during the winter. It has higher nutritional values during the summer, but they are still far below what native plants offer.

So are you saying that deer need it to survive? If not, then from a biological standpoint, recommending a plant that is known to be invasive and replaces native plant species is not a wise management recommendation.



I know of few places I have worked personally that do not have honeysuckle. But then I don't work your end of the state as much (although everywhere I've worked on the Cumberland Plateau has had it, if not already browsed out of existence).

I know of few if any native plants that are as highly preferred in winter as honeysuckle.
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#1708019 - 01/05/10 07:20 AM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
Very Interesting. I have none on my place that I have found. It is not because I have to many deer either.

I have read on the qdma forum of some of the prosand cons of it. I am interested in reading more about it's nutritional value. I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse.


Definitely not a high nutrition plant, but other than food plot crops, few plants provide high nutritional value in winter.
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#1708659 - 01/05/10 01:36 PM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
Very Interesting. I have none on my place that I have found. It is not because I have to many deer either.

I have read on the qdma forum of some of the prosand cons of it. I am interested in reading more about it's nutritional value. I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse.


Definitely not a high nutrition plant, but other than food plot crops, few plants provide high nutritional value in winter.
Thats what I was wondering,whats green now besides foodplots,and honey suckle?And cedars,but they cant be very nutitious either,can they?
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#1708710 - 01/05/10 02:05 PM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: Football Hunter]
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My driveway{1\2 mile} is basically lined with Jap. honeysuckle. And anyone that visits our house more than once or twice knows to watch for deer around every curve year-round! I know it is an invasive species and I did not put\plant it but especially at this time of year the deer literally mow it!
As for the eastern cedars at least here in swva what we call cedars are actually from the juniper family and even though the deer are browsing them with the current snowpack I want them eradicated as they carry a fungus\disease that kills young\seedling apple trees.
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#1708762 - 01/05/10 02:45 PM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Honeysuckle and greenbrier--where they exist--are usually the top-choice foods, simply because few if any non-agricultural plant are highly nutritious in winter. Now deer are going to browse on a lot of things in winter, but those two species are usually the first to show signs of over-browsing.
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#1708965 - 01/05/10 04:35 PM Re: Who has honeysuckle? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Honeysuckle and greenbrier--where they exist--are usually the top-choice foods, simply because few if any non-agricultural plant are highly nutritious in winter. Now deer are going to browse on a lot of things in winter, but those two species are usually the first to show signs of over-browsing.


Can you compare the nutritional benefits between honeysuckle and greenbrier? I have tons of greenbrier, but little honeysuckle.
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