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#1710148 - 01/06/10 08:54 AM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: megalomaniac]
Yodel Dog
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
this is quite possibly the most worthless thread I've seen on here due to a combination of inadequate sampling and incorrect assumption in what you are trying to prove.

Let me put it to you like this...

If EVERY single hunter in the state who harvested a buck killed their 3 buck limit, guess what the statwide average would be???




The answer would be 1.5 bucks/hunter on average, since 50% of the hunters out there never kill a single buck. There's your most accurate average.

So, in other words, we could go to a 10 buck/ yr limit and still have those who harvest a buck kill 10 per year (as long as 90% of the population does not kill a single buck) and we'd still average out 1 buck/person/yr.

A liberal limit on bucks ASSUMES and RELIES on the fact that half of the hunters won't kill a buck at all. In fact, it REQUIRES that half the hunters don't kill a buck at all, and a majority of the others restrict themselves to prevent an overharvest of the resource.

So, sure, a 3 buck limit is just fine- as long as you are the one killing the 3 bucks and your neighbors aren't.


 Originally Posted By: AlanP
In a sense. Even though TWRA sets a bag limit, we are intelligent enough (believe it or not) to know, in reality, most hunters will not "kill the bag limit."

The same thing with a lot of quota hunts. In most instances, we know only 50% of the hunters drawn will show up. So, if you want 100 hunters, you set the quota at 200. There is no "bag limit" for trappers. That does not mean that one trapper will catch every raccoon in the state in one night. It's just not gonna happen. There are limits, and there is reality. The trick is to set the limits to achieve the reality you want.


Exactly what you said megalomaniac. They depend on hunters buying licenses and being unsuccessful.
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#1710332 - 01/06/10 10:50 AM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: megalomaniac]
gator-n-buck
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 Originally Posted By: megalomaniac
this is quite possibly the most worthless thread I've seen on here due to a combination of inadequate sampling and incorrect assumption in what you are trying to prove.

Let me put it to you like this...

If EVERY single hunter in the state who harvested a buck killed their 3 buck limit, guess what the statwide average would be???




The answer would be 1.5 bucks/hunter on average, since 50% of the hunters out there never kill a single buck. There's your most accurate average.

So, in other words, we could go to a 10 buck/ yr limit and still have those who harvest a buck kill 10 per year (as long as 90% of the population does not kill a single buck) and we'd still average out 1 buck/person/yr.

A liberal limit on bucks ASSUMES and RELIES on the fact that half of the hunters won't kill a buck at all. In fact, it REQUIRES that half the hunters don't kill a buck at all, and a majority of the others restrict themselves to prevent an overharvest of the resource.

So, sure, a 3 buck limit is just fine- as long as you are the one killing the 3 bucks and your neighbors aren't.


This is not a survey for the whole state.... This is a survey for TN deer members... The ones that want to debate over buck limits, every other week....... If the guys on here that are serious hunters are only avg.... one buck per hunter... I could only wonder if its even lower for non-serious hunters? Just a thought... The one buck debate always seems pretty worthless since no body wants to listen to the guys that do this for a living (I'm not one of them)... ;\)


Edited by gator-n-buck (01/06/10 10:51 AM)

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#1710341 - 01/06/10 10:55 AM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: gator-n-buck]
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2 - 8 points one 3 1/2 and one 4 1/2 waiting on real big to use last tag. Could be today.
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#1710351 - 01/06/10 10:58 AM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: muddyboots]
gator-n-buck
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Hunters:47
Bucks:46


Still waiting on several to add to this survey.... How many bucks have you killed in TN this year (No draw hunts or bonus bucks)?...

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#1710589 - 01/06/10 01:09 PM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: gator-n-buck]
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3 for me
1 4.5
2 3.5
but not all in TN

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#1710611 - 01/06/10 01:30 PM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: Winchester]
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#1710616 - 01/06/10 01:32 PM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: Winchester]
gator-n-buck
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
3 for me
1 4.5
2 3.5
but not all in TN


How many in TN?

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#1710761 - 01/06/10 03:26 PM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: gator-n-buck]
gator-n-buck
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Hunters:48
Bucks:46


Still waiting on several to add to this survey.... How many bucks have you killed in TN this year (No draw hunts or bonus bucks)?...


Edited by gator-n-buck (01/06/10 03:26 PM)

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#1710805 - 01/06/10 03:51 PM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: Yodel Dog]
Devin2009
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 Originally Posted By: Yodel Dog
 Originally Posted By: Devin2009
also a 1 buck limit would probally turn most kids off hunting


I guess only states with liberal buck limits produce young hunters.


no...i am sure they do....but their are many more bigger deer...they have the soils and all the things they need....i we only had a 1 buck limit.....i would be point less......people would quite hunting...if you want more hunters.....let them shoot bucks....most young hunters only care about shooting bucks......for the first few years all i wanted was bucks...i loved the horns.....even if they were small...i still wanted them....now i have grown...i want big bucks.....i no longer shoot little bucks....buck i have no problem with people who do....i know how if feels..ja

p.s.yodel dog.......read the whole post....you highligted only the first sentence without reading the whole thing>>>

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#1710929 - 01/06/10 04:44 PM Re: Not a one buck limit thread.... [Re: Devin2009]
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