#1705200 - 01/03/10 05:17 PM
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seaton0024
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BSK.. I noticed you said the last few years y'all have cut down on your doe killing due to the EHD outbreak a few years back. My question is how long will it take to get the numbers back up to normal or whatever they were before the outbreak. You may have answered this alot so sorry in advance, I was just curious.
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#1705207 - 01/03/10 05:23 PM
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I'm not BSK and I have no idea how severe the outbreak was on his land but normal recovery is three years or less. Often the herd is in better shape after EHD, once it recovers.
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#1705221 - 01/03/10 05:35 PM
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I can't say for sure about other parts of Tn. But where I hunt in southern middle Tn our property was hit real hard with EHD appox 7 years ago. From the harvest data the bucks weight have went up, and rack size went up but total number of bucks taken went down. Deer sights in general have went and stayed down since. So who really knows how long it will take the herd to rebound from EHD. How ever like bowriter said the herd is probaly in better shape after EHD.
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#1705317 - 01/03/10 06:39 PM
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#1705403 - 01/03/10 07:08 PM
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I'm not BSK and I have no idea how severe the outbreak was on his land but normal recovery is three years or less. Often the herd is in better shape after EHD, once it recovers.
Ive noticed that deer seem to be much healthier after the outbreak. Why is that bowriter?
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#1705431 - 01/03/10 07:19 PM
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I agree with Mr.Bowriter.
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#1705534 - 01/03/10 08:00 PM
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I'm not BSK and I have no idea how severe the outbreak was on his land but normal recovery is three years or less. Often the herd is in better shape after EHD, once it recovers. Ive noticed that deer seem to be much healthier after the outbreak. Why is that bowriter?
less competition for choice food would be my guess,mike243
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#1705561 - 01/03/10 08:16 PM
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I agree with Mr.Bowriter.
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#1705866 - 01/03/10 11:09 PM
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If there is little hunter harvest of females, deer herds generally bounce back to pre-disease levels in 2 to 3 years (a healthy deer herd can double its population every two years).
However, considering the liberal doe limits we have, the deer herds hit hard by EHD may never bounce back to what they were before the disease outbreak, and that's a good thing. Many of those herds (especially in Unit L) were too dense to start with. Mother Nature just did what we hunters weren't willing to do--kill enough deer to reduce the population to more healthy levels.
I think we will see some population bounce back, but again, probably not to pre-disease levels. The rebound in population appears to have been slowed by two years of poor fawn survival (probably due to the two severe late summer droughts we experienced in '07 and '08).
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#1705882 - 01/03/10 11:23 PM
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I'm not BSK and I have no idea how severe the outbreak was on his land but normal recovery is three years or less. Often the herd is in better shape after EHD, once it recovers. Ive noticed that deer seem to be much healthier after the outbreak. Why is that bowriter?
As Bowriter pointed out, less competition for the best food sources. The lower the deer density, the fewer the mouths having to share the few top-quality food sources.
Deer health and population density are inversely related. Individual deer are healthiest at the lowest deer densities and least healthy at the highest densities. That's why it's so important to keep deer densities well below the capacity of the habitat to feed them. At lower densities individual deer are healthier hence grow larger bodies and antlers.
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#1706144 - 01/04/10 08:56 AM
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What about if u have a fresh water supply as in a creek that has fresh springs bubbling all the time the creek may get low but not dry. Will some diseases effect an area like that as much. The reasons i ask buddy of mine said our county madison was hit hard by EHD i don't know for sure but if it has I haven't seen any affects of it.
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#1706174 - 01/04/10 09:15 AM
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Stagnant water appears to produce more problem. My place has no ponds or standing water, just year-round running creeks. During the EHD outbreak I walked my creeks weekly to look for dead deer. The dead deer found and an ongoing summer photo-census at the time indicated we lost only about 15% of the local resident deer.
The problem is, deer move around seasonally. Many hunters/managers of smaller properties find that the majority of deer using their property during hunting season are not summer resident deer. The deer using their property during hunting season summer somewhere else and shift into the property during the fall months or only during the peak of the rut. Where those deer lived during summer would affect their susceptibility to EHD.
As an example, we only lost around 15% of our local summer herd, yet nearby areas contain big swamps. It appears deer summering there were hit very hard. We did not see many deer shift into our property come fall after the outbreak, and normally we would see a considerable number of seasonal range-shifters.
What I'm getting at is conditions on your hunting property may not be the biggest contributor to how EHD affected your hunting. Conditions in neighboring areas may have been the major contributing factor.
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#1706308 - 01/04/10 10:40 AM
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I know Lewis county was hit really hard 3 years ago on the big EHD breakout. 40 - 50 % ? Can't remember.
Anybody hunt Lewis county regular? The guys I know are seeing a large percentage of recovering numbers this year.
Anyone ?
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