#1704104 - 01/02/10 10:33 PM
Who has honeysuckle?
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RKenney
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If you do, I am your friend. Big honeysuckle thickets are the
ticket, right now.
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#1704147 - 01/02/10 11:17 PM
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Wish I did... if the deer would only move to my back yard!
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#1704245 - 01/03/10 07:21 AM
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I have it,but Im on the couch,will have more soon,gonna plant a bunch as soon as my shoulder heals up!
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#1704300 - 01/03/10 07:55 AM
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We have lots of it. We manage for it (to promote it).
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#1704425 - 01/03/10 09:31 AM
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Saw 13 in a honeysuckle thicket the other day,definitely a great place to hunt right now.
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#1704427 - 01/03/10 09:32 AM
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The new place I just picked up to hunt,the over grown field is covered in it,but there are very few leaves on it,the deer have picked it clean.
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#1704762 - 01/03/10 12:12 PM
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have it all over here .
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#1705124 - 01/03/10 04:42 PM
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We have lots of it. We manage for it (to promote it).
How do you go about doing this?
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#1705168 - 01/03/10 05:00 PM
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We have lots of it. We manage for it (to promote it).
How do you go about doing this?
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#1705820 - 01/03/10 10:28 PM
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We have lots of it. We manage for it (to promote it).
How do you go about doing this?
Get sunlight to the ground where it exists. It can also help to fertilize (nitrogen) and lime exisiting stands.
And of course, keeping your deer density in line is essential. Deer will browse away honeysuckle in winter if the population density is too high. That's why honeysuckle is such a good "indicator" plant. If deer browse down the honeysuckle in winter (during an acornless year) you have too many deer for the available food sources. Create more food and have less deer.
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#1705823 - 01/03/10 10:31 PM
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We have lots of it. We manage for it (to promote it).
How do you go about doing this?
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#1706780 - 01/04/10 03:05 PM
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Is japanese honeysuckle the best to plant?
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#1706796 - 01/04/10 03:17 PM
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Is japanese honeysuckle the best to plant?
I think so. Its abundant, deer love it, its hardy and free. Cant beat that. Ive had success digging and transplanting the root balls.
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#1706890 - 01/04/10 04:09 PM
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Just remember that it is a non-native invasive species. White-tailed deer did not evolve with it and do not need it to survive. Do I recommend it to landowners? No.
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#1707082 - 01/04/10 05:43 PM
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Just remember that it is a non-native invasive species. White-tailed deer did not evolve with it and do not need it to survive. Do I recommend it to landowners? No.
On this, Quailman and I disagree. I HIGHLY recommend promoting it if it exists. Would I plant it? No. But if you don't have honeysuckle, you have too many deer. I know of few if any areas that don't have honeysuckle unless deer are eating it out of existence (and I have seen that happen many, many times).
Deer didn't evolve in expansive hardwoods forests either, but that's what we deal with now.
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#1707158 - 01/04/10 06:16 PM
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But if you don't have honeysuckle, you have too many deer. I know of few if any areas that don't have honeysuckle unless deer are eating it out of existence
Not true BSK. I can show thousands of acres of properties (including my own) I've worked on that have no honeysuckle whatsoever. Why? Because it was never introduced and never allowed to spread. Is it used a late winter food source? Of course, but it is low quality. Very low in fat (that deer need at this time of year), so it is slightly above woody browse in value during the winter. It has higher nutritional values during the summer, but they are still far below what native plants offer.
So are you saying that deer need it to survive? If not, then from a biological standpoint, recommending a plant that is known to be invasive and replaces native plant species is not a wise management recommendation.
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#1707280 - 01/04/10 07:04 PM
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Very Interesting. I have none on my place that I have found. It is not because I have to many deer either. 
I have read on the qdma forum of some of the prosand cons of it. I am interested in reading more about it's nutritional value. I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse.
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#1707417 - 01/04/10 07:47 PM
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I am interested in reading more about it's nutritional value. I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse.
Up to 20% protein.
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#1707612 - 01/04/10 08:47 PM
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I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse.
RMBBQ, some of the most recent research conducted in TN showed protein levels for honeysuckle running about 13% protein (acutally 13.4%) during the growing season. I have seen levels as high as 16% (growing season) for other areas in the Southeast. This level, of course, drops off dramatically during the winter months. Also, since it is a somewhat woody plant, it has a high ADF (acid detergent fiber), which is normally around 30-35%. This means that it is not a very digestible plant.
It is a good late season food source for deer on properties that are lacking adequate nutrition during the winter months. But, eastern red cedar is as well.  When I first started managing our farm on the Plateau, most of the young cedars looked like toothpicks in the winter, because it was about the only food source available at this time. This has changed though over the last 8 years. When deer are using these types of food sources, it's normally a good sign that additional habitat improvements should be made.
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#1707614 - 01/04/10 08:47 PM
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Farmers and foresters often consider this introduced plant a pest, while white-tailed deer managers consider honeysuckle a choice browse species.
Honeysuckle will not meet all the nutritional needs of white-tailed deer, but it can produce substantial quality forage on a yearly basis if it is properly established and/or maintained.
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#1707649 - 01/04/10 09:00 PM
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Thanks for the replies.
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#1707660 - 01/04/10 09:04 PM
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Also, honeysuckle is almost unmatched as far as a protective sanctuary for the Whitetail Deer. In late winter, it not only
provides food for the deer, but it is great secure cover and
protects them the elements. One time in Hickman County, years
ago, it was so cold with the wind blowing, that I even went into
a big honeysuckle thicket to get some relief (ha).
These areas can be hunted in the interior of the thicket, if you
find the right spot and the wind is right.
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#1708018 - 01/05/10 07:19 AM
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But if you don't have honeysuckle, you have too many deer. I know of few if any areas that don't have honeysuckle unless deer are eating it out of existence
Not true BSK. I can show thousands of acres of properties (including my own) I've worked on that have no honeysuckle whatsoever. Why? Because it was never introduced and never allowed to spread. Is it used a late winter food source? Of course, but it is low quality. Very low in fat (that deer need at this time of year), so it is slightly above woody browse in value during the winter. It has higher nutritional values during the summer, but they are still far below what native plants offer. So are you saying that deer need it to survive? If not, then from a biological standpoint, recommending a plant that is known to be invasive and replaces native plant species is not a wise management recommendation.
I know of few places I have worked personally that do not have honeysuckle. But then I don't work your end of the state as much (although everywhere I've worked on the Cumberland Plateau has had it, if not already browsed out of existence).
I know of few if any native plants that are as highly preferred in winter as honeysuckle.
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#1708019 - 01/05/10 07:20 AM
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Very Interesting. I have none on my place that I have found. It is not because I have to many deer either. I have read on the qdma forum of some of the prosand cons of it. I am interested in reading more about it's nutritional value. I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse.
Definitely not a high nutrition plant, but other than food plot crops, few plants provide high nutritional value in winter.
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#1708659 - 01/05/10 01:36 PM
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Very Interesting. I have none on my place that I have found. It is not because I have to many deer either. I have read on the qdma forum of some of the prosand cons of it. I am interested in reading more about it's nutritional value. I was under the impression that it was very high in protein and a good late season browse. Definitely not a high nutrition plant, but other than food plot crops, few plants provide high nutritional value in winter.
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#1708710 - 01/05/10 02:05 PM
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My driveway{1\2 mile} is basically lined with Jap. honeysuckle. And anyone that visits our house more than once or twice knows to watch for deer around every curve year-round! I know it is an invasive species and I did not put\plant it but especially at this time of year the deer literally mow it!
As for the eastern cedars at least here in swva what we call cedars are actually from the juniper family and even though the deer are browsing them with the current snowpack I want them eradicated as they carry a fungus\disease that kills young\seedling apple trees.
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#1708762 - 01/05/10 02:45 PM
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Honeysuckle and greenbrier--where they exist--are usually the top-choice foods, simply because few if any non-agricultural plant are highly nutritious in winter. Now deer are going to browse on a lot of things in winter, but those two species are usually the first to show signs of over-browsing.
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#1708965 - 01/05/10 04:35 PM
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Honeysuckle and greenbrier--where they exist--are usually the top-choice foods, simply because few if any non-agricultural plant are highly nutritious in winter. Now deer are going to browse on a lot of things in winter, but those two species are usually the first to show signs of over-browsing.
Can you compare the nutritional benefits between honeysuckle and greenbrier? I have tons of greenbrier, but little honeysuckle.
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