#1699398 - 12/31/09 04:11 PM
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What are the chances of a doe this time of season being pregnant? A buddy told me he shot one late season one time and it was carrying I just dont want this to happen to me. I don't think I got the heart for all that. 
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#1699405 - 12/31/09 04:14 PM
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100%,most ruts were in November,doubt you would be able to tell by now though
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#1699522 - 12/31/09 05:09 PM
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Shot one yesterday and it had a small sack about the size of a tennis ball. If you wasn't looking for it you wouldn't have seen it.
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#1699637 - 12/31/09 05:55 PM
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If a doe has been bred and came in estrous during the rut,then she is carrying!
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#1699773 - 12/31/09 06:55 PM
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Thats what I figured I mean I know after the rut they have been bred, I was just wondering if there was a way to distinguish this on the hoof. I guess its still too early to for the doe to show their size.
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#1699962 - 12/31/09 08:23 PM
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shoot them all sort them out later
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#1699971 - 12/31/09 08:27 PM
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shoot them all sort them out later
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#1699978 - 12/31/09 08:33 PM
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right now is when we do our most intense doe harvest on our farm... fetus size and length recorded over the years can give you a good idea when the rut was by using a fetal scale to determine when the does were bred.
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#1699985 - 12/31/09 08:38 PM
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I've found several fetus in late season does-some as big as a squirrel.
Not to quote Carl or anything.
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#1699994 - 12/31/09 08:45 PM
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Let em stroll, they are all pregnant. Every time you pull the trigger you will be killin 3-4 deer and 1 or 2 bucks.
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#1699999 - 12/31/09 08:50 PM
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Let em stroll, they are all pregnant. Every time you pull the trigger you will be killin 3-4 deer and 1 or 2 bucks.
All the more reason for me to kill them, sound management.
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#1700018 - 12/31/09 08:58 PM
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Let em stroll, they are all pregnant. Every time you pull the trigger you will be killin 3-4 deer and 1 or 2 bucks. All the more reason for me to kill them, sound management.
No different killing that doe this time of the year than in Sept. or Oct. Either way, it is like taking out 2 or 3 deer from the herd...
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#1700029 - 12/31/09 09:00 PM
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Let em stroll, they are all pregnant. Every time you pull the trigger you will be killin 3-4 deer and 1 or 2 bucks. All the more reason for me to kill them, sound management.
I agree 
Its not doe management its herd management.
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#1700319 - 12/31/09 10:42 PM
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Maybe I'm just a softy but intentionally killing pregnant animals is not ethical IMO.
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#1700323 - 12/31/09 10:43 PM
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i would say we are at 98% complete in the wayne, lawrence county areas excluding the fawn crop which some have not cycled yet.
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#1700347 - 12/31/09 11:05 PM
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Cool pic.
Those things might be pretty good on a cracker! 
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#1700610 - 01/01/10 08:22 AM
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[quote=Carlos Viagra]Excellent!  Kill em before they're born and post pictures for everyone. That's pretty sickening to me, but seems like you guys get off on that kinda crap.  Seriously, man WTH? [/quot I was thinking the same thing.
Mankind has been killing pregnant animals and eating them for years! Nothing new here. The fact that we are in the electronic age and can share pics of what we see is a little bit new, but it is becoming more popular.
The truth is, most folks don't want to shoot a doe while hunting in November, thinking maybe a buck will be trailing her...or two or three! So, to take out some does from the heard in December almost certainly means they are going to be pregnant but it needs to be done. It's no big deal. The fact that we see the embryos, well, welcome to the real world. And that's coming from one of the least synical person on this forum.
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#1700765 - 01/01/10 09:55 AM
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Still doesn't make it right to kill the unborn bucks & does and then post pictures online.
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#1700980 - 01/01/10 11:36 AM
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[quote=Carlos Viagra]Excellent! Kill em before they're born and post pictures for everyone. That's pretty sickening to me, but seems like you guys get off on that kinda crap. Seriously, man WTH? [/quot I was thinking the same thing. Mankind has been killing pregnant animals and eating them for years! Nothing new here. The fact that we are in the electronic age and can share pics of what we see is a little bit new, but it is becoming more popular. The truth is, most folks don't want to shoot a doe while hunting in November, thinking maybe a buck will be trailing her...or two or three! So, to take out some does from the heard in December almost certainly means they are going to be pregnant but it needs to be done. It's no big deal. The fact that we see the embryos, well, welcome to the real world. And that's coming from one of the least synical person on this forum.
Ditto Go.
Carlos, Killing does is necessary in most parts of the state and If you take your does in late season, which most do it is inevitable that you will kill pregnant does. The TWRA knows this and IMO they count on it to slow herd growth. I don't know that many on here "get ofF" on killing pregnant animals, just comes with the territory, if you (again IMO) do your part and thin the herd, threw doe kills.
As for the pictures I'm not amused by them and I certainly don't "get off" to them, but they are interesting to me as I have never seen an embryo.
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#1700999 - 01/01/10 11:40 AM
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Still doesn't make it right to kill the unborn bucks & does and then post pictures online.
I guess I could have been more "politically correct" and posted the disclaimer "warning - graphic photos, view at your own risk"....but I'm just not that politically correct.
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#1701590 - 01/01/10 04:09 PM
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Let em stroll, they are all pregnant. Every time you pull the trigger you will be killin 3-4 deer and 1 or 2 bucks.
I've never understood this kind of thinking. If you kill a doe before the rut, it's not going to have any fawns either. Killing a doe now is no different than killing one before the rut.
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#1701608 - 01/01/10 04:16 PM
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I don't kill them period. But I am not against hunters killing them if they are ok with it, just don't need to see the abortion clinic photos online.
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#1701639 - 01/01/10 04:25 PM
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I wouldn't know where to look and see if she was carrying. On another note, I don't really care. If I want to shoot a doe in the late season I do it, then I field dress her and fill the freezer.
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#1702096 - 01/01/10 07:29 PM
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Most are not showing this time of year but pregnant they are.
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#1703440 - 01/02/10 04:11 PM
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Carlos,
If it bothers you to shoot pregnant females, then don't shoot any does after the rut starts. Many does will be pregnant within 2 weeks of the rut starting.
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#1703721 - 01/02/10 07:35 PM
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I guess you could ask the does to pee on a stick before you shoot them to see if they are pregnant or not.
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#1734510 - 01/19/10 03:18 PM
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thats cool...i have killed several does that had the embyro in them........i dont feel bad.....its part of it......i dont get off on it...its helps who kill does to know what they are looking for........i was not 100% sure what the little jelly looking thing was...because i aint no doctor...but now i do.....killed 2 does this past year that had that in them.....it helps thin out the herd even more.../////////////and redblood...why dont you shoot does????? you do like to shoot big bucks.....i have found out over the last few years......that if you dont shoot does you wont see big bucks.......and they wont show their true antler potential.....i sure do hope that they make a rule that you have to shoot does before you shoot bucks.....maybe that will make some people quit hunting and have more deer for us real hunters......or they will learn to help us out and make it better for everybody....akl
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#1734575 - 01/19/10 03:58 PM
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Everyone needs to shoot what they want to its a personal decision, I didn't start this to start an ethics debate. Just to see if anyone in my area had noticed does being pregnant. As for being a "real" hunter personally I think that is ridiculous. But to each his own and I will continue to shoot what I want and you can do the same.
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#1734647 - 01/19/10 04:31 PM
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just dress'em and drag'em i don't pay any attention to anything inside the deer except the stomach good to see what they been eating
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#1735027 - 01/19/10 07:30 PM
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just dress'em and drag'em i don't pay any attention to anything inside the deer except the stomach good to see what they been eating
I try to stay away from the stomach or they might see what I've been eating, LOL
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#1736215 - 01/20/10 09:50 AM
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This is an educational post and nothing more! This is what makes this site a great learning and hunting tool!
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#1736260 - 01/20/10 10:07 AM
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I have had this same discussion with the onwer of the lease that I am on. His rules state that all hunters should wait until late season to shoot does. He belives that by taking them early you may ruin the hunting spot and make other deer go noctural. I have taken my fair share of both bucks and does and have tried to take my freezer meat early. Then concentrate on the bucks during the rut and late season. They are most all pregnant by late season. By taking this one doe you have most likely taken three if not four deer from the herd. To each his own and I would never judge one way or the other, but it is something to think about.
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#1736356 - 01/20/10 10:48 AM
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They are most all pregnant by late season. By taking this one doe you have most likely taken three if not four deer from the herd. To each his own and I would never judge one way or the other, but it is something to think about.
Again, people keep using this argument about does being pregnant in the late season. It doesn't matter. Take a doe in the early season and you remove her and all the offspring she would have had once she became pregnant during the rut. Take her late in the season when she is already pregnant and you remove the exact same number of deer--her and the offspring she would have had. It's the same number of deer removed, whether she is pregnant or not. Kill her early or kill her late, you are removing the offspring she would have produced this spring/summer.
Now if someone just can't stomach the idea of killing a pregnant animal, I get that. But biologically it makes no difference when that doe is harvested. Either way--prenant or not--you are removing her as well as the offspring she would have had.
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#1736587 - 01/20/10 12:52 PM
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EXACTLY right BSK, a dead doe is a dead doe nothing more. She is either going to get bred, or is already bred, no real difference here. The only reason I like to kill more does before the rut is to reduce the # of does the bucks have to breed. IMO it makes the rut more intense as their is more competition for the available does, and also makes it a little easier on the bucks not having to breed as many, shortens and intensifies the local rut in that area. Now this is all on a very small scale I know, but if it helps a tiny bit thats good.
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#1736733 - 01/20/10 02:30 PM
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EXACTLY right BSK, a dead doe is a dead doe nothing more. She is either going to get bred, or is already bred, no real difference here. The only reason I like to kill more does before the rut is to reduce the # of does the bucks have to breed. IMO it makes the rut more intense as their is more competition for the available does, and also makes it a little easier on the bucks not having to breed as many, shortens and intensifies the local rut in that area. Now this is all on a very small scale I know, but if it helps a tiny bit thats good.
Without question there are real biological advantages to shooting does early.
1) You balance the sex ratio before the rut, when it will make the most difference.
2) You "save" all the food those does would have eaten by the time they are harvested late in the season.
3) Adult does are easier to differentiate from fawns early in the season.
Now these biological advantages must be weighed against the potential of producing excessive harvest pressure on a property before peak "buck hunting" time near the rut.
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