#1678645 - 12/18/09 07:31 AM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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#1678651 - 12/18/09 07:34 AM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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Great read BH!!
we've all seen DA's corn feeders in action......I know beef farmers that don't have corn feeders that big...haha.
Food plots are no different than feeders, IMO. if you plant them to HELP the deer then don't hunt over them. If you plant them to attract deer to shoot, then call a spade a spade and call these food plots BAIT.
I don't agree with hunting over any unnatural source of food or nutrition, not even a salt block. I can take you to a farm right now that has two plastic water buckets sitting out in a field to hold rain water for the deer to drink......
Is this legal, sure. Is it ethical, maybe. But it is unnatural. The hunter is betting that a deer will come to that water source and that is baiting, IMO.
Now, if you want to dig a pond, then go ahead.
IMO, any thing that a hunter does to change the natural movement of deer should be illegal. Hunters should take pride in being able to beat the deer in it's natural daily travels and not use tricks to draw deer to the hunter.
If you require HELP in killing a deer, then maybe you should have your deer hunter card revoked......hahahahahaha. J/K
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#1698033 - 12/30/09 09:00 PM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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I have lived on my farm (50 acres half wooded half open) for 10 years, always had plenty of deer year round, until the last 2 years, A wealthy guy bought 200 acres that joins my farm, when the acorns and persimmons are gone so are the deer.. I mean they never come back until spring.. One of my stands is located 100 yards or so from the line fence and I see good shooter bucks on his side all the time, none on my side at all,I even put up a game cam in different places to see if they were moving at night and in 1 2 week stretch I got a picture of 2 does...Then one day I talked with a guy at the coop who does custom planting and harvesting and he told me the guy had him come in and plant several acres worth of corn... for the deer, didnt want him to come back and pick it. The deer have absolutly no reason to venture back on my side of the fence, so now if I want a good buck I'm going to have to shell out the bucks to have corn planted on my place..I wish the law would change so I would only have to pour it out of a sack, honestly I see no difference..I would like to address the TWRA about it, do any of you know when the yearly meeting is that allows people to voice their opinions? thanks!
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#1698221 - 12/30/09 10:47 PM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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Funny yopu should ask 
Outdoors With John L. Sloan
12-30-09 Copyright 12-09
The Big De-Bait.
Pun intended there is a big debate going on now about legalizing baiting in Tennessee. It is legal in KY, Texas, many other states, and a way of life in Saskatchewan. I have hunted over bait…twice. It is not for me but I don’t really care if other people do.
However, I do oppose it.
Diseases, such things as CWD have been proven to be transmitted by close proximity of animals. It has been proven that body fluids and feces transmit it. So when you concentrate animals, such as at a feeding ground or feeder, you increase that possibility. Now why doesn’t KY or TX have CWD? I have no idea. Saskatchewan does and so does MI, another baiting state. So far, we don’t have it here-at least not any reported cases.
How does baiting differ from feeding? It doesn’t. Feeding wildlife becomes baiting when you hunt over it or hunt animals on the way to it. In Yellowstone Park, they feed the animals all winter. They also have a rather high incidence of CWD. By the way, CWD is chronic wasting disease, very similar to mad cow disease. Feeding also increases road kill.
Now how does baiting differ from a food plot? The area involved is not the same. Baiting is concentrated-small area. Food plots are more spread out. Therefore, the animals are not forced into such close proximity and the soil is not saturated with bodily fluids.
The ethics question surrounding baiting doesn’t bother me much. Ethics are up to each individual. If it is legal, I don’t care much what you do. I’ll decide what I want to do. I have hunted bear over bait for years. Never much bothered me because that was the only way you could hunt them and it was done for a short period of time. But the two times I hunted deer over bait, I was not comfortable with it. I do recognize that in parts of Texas and Canada, you have a hard time seeing a deer without bait. Still, not my cup of tea.
But we don’t need to bait here. We have enough deer and enough huntable land we don’t have to bait. We don’t have to feed, either. Our wildlife is not starving. They are healthy. They don’t need to be fed.
Sure, feeding makes them more watchable and watching wildlife is good for us. It makes us feel better. Very few days go by that there are not turkeys in my yard. There are very few nights there are not deer in my yard. I don’t hunt here. I’m not into doing it the easy way. For me, the real pleasure of hunting is in matching wits with the animals. But it doesn’t bother me if other people choose to take easy way.
A few days ago, a TN hunter asked me what I thought of food plots. I think my answer maybe made him mad. I said, “They are fine if you don’t know how to hunt. Nutritionally, we don’t need them. Our deer are not starving. They are healthy. The only reason people plant a food plot is to attract deer and make them easier to kill.” That is exactly what I think. Baiting takes it to another level.
My thinking is, if you don’t know how to hunt, put out some bait. I won’t criticize you for it. It’s your choice. But I hope it is never made legal here.
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#1- When deer are concentrated over bait, the risk of spreading disease increases.
#2- Often the end result of feeding or baiting.
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#1698238 - 12/30/09 11:00 PM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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To add to bowriter's a little bit...I was part of a lease in Kansas this year. Baiting is legal there. I spoke with a GW one night and he said KS is considering not allowing baiting anymore due to the proven spread of disease.
One point I have not seen...Since baiting is not legal for hunters, I wish it would be the same for non-hunters. It is frustrating to watch deer on neighboring properties eating from corn feeders. I can not compete with that regardless of my woodsmanship skills.
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#1698328 - 12/31/09 03:49 AM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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To add to bowriter's a little bit...I was part of a lease in Kansas this year. Baiting is legal there. I spoke with a GW one night and he said KS is considering not allowing baiting anymore due to the proven spread of disease.
One point I have not seen...Since baiting is not legal for hunters, I wish it would be the same for non-hunters. It is frustrating to watch deer on neighboring properties eating from corn feeders. I can not compete with that regardless of my woodsmanship skills.
I oppose it.
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#1698347 - 12/31/09 05:17 AM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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i can compete with other hunters using my skills & feel like its a even playing field,add bait & i refuse to play the $ game,some folks just want a gimme & i dont want to play that game,it already is costing too much for processing & i will be doing all of my own from now on,why run the cost of a beloved hobby & tradition up ,mike243
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#1698354 - 12/31/09 05:33 AM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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My opinion-baiting and feeding should both be illegal. Now I'll really piss some people off. I also oppose food plots in most areas.
Fertilize the natural browse and quit looking for a crutch. You want to attract deer? They make corn and bean seed. Just don't hunt over it. The minute you hunt over a food plot, it becomes bait. What about a 300 acre corn field? Is that bait...it sure can be. But the difference is, it takes some skill to find out where the deer enter it.
There is not much skill required to sit in a shooting house and shoot 300 yards across a picked field. That is killing, not hunting. Now if that is how you want to hunt, I'm fine with that. I'll not critisize you. I've done a ton of it. But don't confuse it with hunting.
Now how is that different from a feeder. It doesn't concentrate deer. But it is bait...a crutch. Find the natural foods and hunt them. Don't invent them just so you can kill a deer.
Whew Boy I feel better!
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#1698550 - 12/31/09 08:14 AM
Re: Baiting? Where do you stand?
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I believe that's why we call it hunting , right ? Hunting over a feeder or bait pile to me is not hunting but what do I know , each to his own ! If deer are not using the area were you are HUNTING then plant something that will draw them , duhhh . But like I said each to his own but as for me I am a hunter not a killer !!!!!
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