#1701244 - 01/01/10 01:34 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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Stump,
What better results are KY producing over TN exactly?
What would you expect to change if TN adopted a 1 buck limit?
Thanks.
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#1701287 - 01/01/10 01:53 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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Well I'd let you come hunt my place in Williamson county if you were a little more respectful. You might be surprised to find that you actually have to hunt for them over here too.
Anyway, I'm not sure where you came up with comparing KY to Williamson county but I'd like to hear your answers to the questions if you don't mind.
I'm not trying to stir anything up with you. I just want to know the basis of your comments. So go ahead and make a believer out of me.... 
Edited by username (01/01/10 01:54 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#1701458 - 01/01/10 03:22 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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I wish all these armchair biologist who know so much about whtetail deer management would move to Ky. and enjoy those GREAT ky. "trophy" buck
102 Maybe they wish that you armchair spike whackers would move to Florida so they might can have something decent to hunt here at home. They have as much of a right to give their input as you do. You don't just tell someone to move if they don't do it your way. Grow up.
i agree 100% with 102. look at the "deer of the decade" thread and then try to tell me there are no big deer in tennessee. deer hunting in tennessee is getting better every year with the limits we have now. i see no need for a 1 buck limit and will vehemently fight any effort to implement such.
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#1701648 - 01/01/10 04:29 PM
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Its not crops, its letting the little guys walk, it wont ever happen unless they change or lower the limit.
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#1701657 - 01/01/10 04:35 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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Its not crops, its letting the little guys walk, it wont ever happen unless they change or lower the limit.
it is already happening.
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#1701698 - 01/01/10 04:57 PM
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What I do see is that they don't have enough money to get the entire job done the way I'd like to see it done. Judging by the number of folks on here that complain about license fees, they aren't likely to see much help anytime soon.
Maybe instead of arbitrarily deciding that we'd kill bigger deer with a lower bag limit we ought to decide to try to get them more money to get the job done right. I'm not sure that a bag limit change would help. I am sure that we're not going to get big improvements (whatever we consider that to be) for free. I'm guessing that you are unaware that Kentucky manages to do what they are doing with their deer herd on about half the money as TN does. Look up their license fees and compare them to ours. Neither agency gets any money from the state budget either.
You are absolutely right. I didn't know that. Where can I look for that information? I'd like to see that myself.
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#1701817 - 01/01/10 05:49 PM
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...but of course this is where you make your living, so I don't expect you to publicly agree with me.
Publicly, or privately, it would not matter one whit. I would say the same. My paycheck stays the same either way. It does not change. Therefore, I have no reason to do anything but tell the truth as I see it. I have no reason to lie or attempt to deceive anyone. My "living" won't change one single nickel.
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#1701829 - 01/01/10 05:55 PM
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Kentucky takes half the total number of bucks out of their herd EVERY year with roughly the same number of hunters compared to what we do here in Tennessee. Please tell me you understand the implications of that.
One implication would be that Tennessee hunters are more successful since they consistently, year after year after year, take more older age class bucks than Kentucky hunters. So, if you want a better chance to take an older age class buck, hunt in Tennessee. Is that the implication?
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#1704191 - 01/03/10 03:29 AM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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One implication would be that Tennessee hunters are more successful since they consistently, year after year after year, take more older age class bucks than Kentucky hunters. So, if you want a better chance to take an older age class buck, hunt in Tennessee. Is that the implication?
AlanP, a 2.5 year old buck is not an "old buck", contrary to theory in previous Tennessee hunting guides. Kentucky has a small sample that groups buck ages in 2 groups. One group is yearlings, the other 2.5 and older. That is all the data you guys have from Kentucky to use in such comparison. I never said you weren't telling the truth, but you are picking and choosing which facts to tell. I used to do this when I was young if I thought my father was going to beat my tail when I had misbehaved. It's called "selective truth".
Kentucky doesn't have the age class data that you have so I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that Tennessee takes more "older bucks". I too read that hunting guide, but information I found elsewhere, made me believe otherwise.
Perhaps, "more older bucks" depends on how you look at it. Make sure you paint the whole picture though, because not doing so is very misleading. Maybe you are not doing this intentionally, I have no idea, but it is very misleading. In your claim, you fail to acknowledge the fact that Tennessee harvests twice the total number of bucks than Kentucky does annually, with a similar sized deer and hunter density.
What's the implication? If you catch 10 fish and your partner catches 5 fish, statistically speaking, you have a better chance of catching more bigger, or "older fish". Don't you? Same principal applies to your buck harvest if you compare it to Kentucky. Don't be so quick to toot your own horn by saying, come to TN instead of KY for a better chance at an older age buck. Anyone who hunts both states knows that is a laughable concept. A more accurate statement when all things are considered would be, "Come to KY for a better chance at an older age buck, because here, twice as many bucks survive the deer season than in TN". Naturally if twice the bucks return to the herd for the next season in KY, that doubles your chances of harvesting an older buck. I don't need to read Daryl's desk reference on statistics to know this. What was the name of that book, again?
Kentucky doesn't waste their time or their license holders' money collecting all that specific age class information because they don't have to. They don't need it, and that was my main point. It's money that could be put to better use elsewhere. Their regulations are allowing all hunters a reasonable opportunity to reach their goals. It's the only fair way to do it. They don't tell hunters that they can't take a small buck, but they don't allow your 3 neighbors to take 9 of your local herd's 10 bucks with a high powered rifle either. In KY, those 3 neighbors can only take 3 of the 10 bucks, so the QDM hunter also has a realistic chance of achieving his goals.
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