#1700343 - 12/31/09 10:59 PM
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Man I wish KY would go to a 3 buck limit..... 
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#1700484 - 01/01/10 04:50 AM
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I wish all these armchair biologist who know so much about whtetail deer management would move to Ky. and enjoy those GREAT ky. "trophy" buck
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#1700507 - 01/01/10 06:23 AM
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We don't need a 1 buck limit to grow big bucks. We need more people to hunt the big bucks which live here now, or more people who know how to hunt mature bucks.
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#1700639 - 01/01/10 08:38 AM
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I'd like to see more mature bucks in the woods, but this isn't Kentucky and just accepting their management plan isn't the answer. I'd like to see the limits lowered, but for every hunter out there wanting a lower limit there's a one or two that wants to raise the limit.
This is always going to be a compromise, and I hope the experts at TWRA (they are the only ones that count when it comes down to setting bag and season guidelines) know what they are doing. I don't see any evidence that they don't. What I do see is that they don't have enough money to get the entire job done the way I'd like to see it done. Judging by the number of folks on here that complain about license fees, they aren't likely to see much help anytime soon.
Maybe instead of arbitrarily deciding that we'd kill bigger deer with a lower bag limit we ought to decide to try to get them more money to get the job done right. I'm not sure that a bag limit change would help. I am sure that we're not going to get big improvements (whatever we consider that to be) for free.
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#1700927 - 01/01/10 11:13 AM
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I wish all these armchair biologist who know so much about whtetail deer management would move to Ky. and enjoy those GREAT ky. "trophy" buck
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Maybe they wish that you armchair spike whackers would move to Florida so they might can have something decent to hunt here at home. They have as much of a right to give their input as you do. You don't just tell someone to move if they don't do it your way. Grow up.
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#1700937 - 01/01/10 11:21 AM
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What I do see is that they don't have enough money to get the entire job done the way I'd like to see it done. Judging by the number of folks on here that complain about license fees, they aren't likely to see much help anytime soon.
Maybe instead of arbitrarily deciding that we'd kill bigger deer with a lower bag limit we ought to decide to try to get them more money to get the job done right. I'm not sure that a bag limit change would help. I am sure that we're not going to get big improvements (whatever we consider that to be) for free.
I'm guessing that you are unaware that Kentucky manages to do what they are doing with their deer herd on about half the money as TN does. Look up their license fees and compare them to ours. Neither agency gets any money from the state budget either.
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#1700995 - 01/01/10 11:40 AM
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After running trail cam surveys for 6 months along the KY border, I can personally say that I know the hunting is better in TN then it is in KY, in that region. Or, the POTENTIAL is better in TN then in KY.
I used to think that we were way behind, and now am beginning to think the only thing behind is the ability of our hunters. No offense meant to anyone, but we have plenty of giant bucks, not nice bucks, but giant bucks. However, we fail to harvest them.
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#1701029 - 01/01/10 11:53 AM
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Frankly, I think it's a waste of our hard earned license dollars.
I disagree. I think data collection, and analysis, is an important part of scientific wildlife management. Without good data collection and analysis, season setting is much less scientific. Passing the data, analysis, and reasoning behind regulations, on to the public, is an important part of TWRA's responsibilities to licensed hunters.
Data collection is a continuum. It varies from intense to nonexistent. For instance, one landowner may collect age, sex, weight, antler measurements, camera census, visual sightings, and other data. On another property, some absentee landowner may just let anyone hunt, without regard to anything.
TWRA cannot afford to do the level of data collection in the first landowner example, but would be negligent to set regulations based on the level of the second landowner. We collect as much as we can. I would love to collect more than we do, but there are budget and manpower limitations.
Given a choice between data-based decisions, and uninformed-opinion decisions, I'll take "data-based" any day of the week. And we should pass that information on to hunters. We should not operate in secrecy, nor do we.
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#1701158 - 01/01/10 01:06 PM
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The point I was making is that you seem to be the only biologists in the country that spends this kind of money on it. If we want to compare which states biologists' season setting methods are producing better results, Kentucky wins hands down. All you have to do is hunt both states to see the difference. I'm not saying having good data to make decisions is not important. What I am saying is that too much of our money is going into it, but of course this is where you make your living, so I don't expect you to publicly agree with me.
Given the choice between better judgment when spending hunter dollars and producing better results, and over analyzing to ensure jobs are kept, I'll take better money management and better results any day of the week.
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