#1706903 - 01/04/10 04:23 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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AlanP
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You're right. We are a representative republic. True democracies are really messy.
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#1706906 - 01/04/10 04:24 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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So even though few hunters harvest 3 bucks, the perception of being able to harvest 3, makes this regulation justifiable. It does not harm the resource, and the age class of harvested bucks continues to improve, so...yes. But if all hunters did harvest 3 bucks... But, they won't. We both know that to be a fact, don't we? Same concept as 3 does a day. If all hunters did harvest 3 per day, every day... But, they won't.
So these limits are set, knowing they don't affect the majority of hunters.
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#1706910 - 01/04/10 04:26 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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I guess hunters, like myself, should start taking advantage of liberal limits in hopes they will be changed. But, they won't. No one has the freezer space for three does a day over a four month season.
Then why set limits?
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#1706943 - 01/04/10 04:42 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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gator-n-buck
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I guess hunters, like myself, should start taking advantage of liberal limits in hopes they will be changed. But, they won't. No one has the freezer space for three does a day over a four month season. Then why set limits?
You must of never seen DA's freezer.... 
Edited by gator-n-buck (01/04/10 04:43 PM)
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#1707036 - 01/04/10 05:22 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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mathews338
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I don't care what kind of hard data you have. Data can be used in many different ways to support pretty much any argument, as you no doubt already know. This is evident by BGG's desk reference.
I'll stick to what I've seen with my own 2 eyes. Many of us have seen the results the 1 buck limit produces, and regardless of how you want to spin it, when the two states have similar herd sizes, and one state takes nearly twice the number bucks out of the herd, the other is going to produce a better opportunity to take one of those bucks that survived the previous seasons. There are no absolutes, but when talking "chance", you have higher probability of taking the older buck in the state that allows twice the bucks to mature an extra year. One thing is for certain, if they are dead, you are not going to take them the following year.
i hunt in KY 15 days a year give or take and hunt TN 40 days give or take and i am successful in both but notice a huge difference in the amount of mature deer in KY considering the # of days is far less
the KY bucks avg. 20 more inches of horn and 50 pounds heavier and 1 year older
the farm in KY is 1 hour northeast of my farms in jackson co. so soil is not a factor, age class is, 1 buck limit has to help
not wanting to start arguement but your data(TWRA)doesn't seem to be accurate when you consider what me and a ton of other hunters i know are actually seeing in the woods
maybe i'm alot more fortunate than i think my spots could be the exception but i doubt it
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#1707043 - 01/04/10 05:27 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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AlanP
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So even though few hunters harvest 3 bucks, the perception of being able to harvest 3, makes this regulation justifiable. It does not harm the resource, and the age class of harvested bucks continues to improve, so...yes. But if all hunters did harvest 3 bucks... But, they won't. We both know that to be a fact, don't we? Same concept as 3 does a day. If all hunters did harvest 3 per day, every day... But, they won't. So these limits are set, knowing they don't affect the majority of hunters.
In a sense. Even though TWRA sets a bag limit, we are intelligent enough (believe it or not) to know, in reality, most hunters will not "kill the bag limit."
The same thing with a lot of quota hunts. In most instances, we know only 50% of the hunters drawn will show up. So, if you want 100 hunters, you set the quota at 200. There is no "bag limit" for trappers. That does not mean that one trapper will catch every raccoon in the state in one night. It's just not gonna happen. There are limits, and there is reality. The trick is to set the limits to achieve the reality you want.
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#1707044 - 01/04/10 05:28 PM
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I guess hunters, like myself, should start taking advantage of liberal limits in hopes they will be changed. But, they won't. No one has the freezer space for three does a day over a four month season. Then why set limits?
Do you want the truth?
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#1707084 - 01/04/10 05:43 PM
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There are limits, and there is reality. The trick is to set the limits to achieve the reality you want.
What is being achieved by setting a 3 buck limit when in reality very few will harvest 3? Wait, I think I know the answer. Because hunters' perception is they can kill 3. Then tell me, what is the benefit of this perception?
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#1707090 - 01/04/10 05:45 PM
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I guess hunters, like myself, should start taking advantage of liberal limits in hopes they will be changed. But, they won't. No one has the freezer space for three does a day over a four month season. Then why set limits? Do you want the truth?
I know the truth, you don't have to tell me. Maybe others would like to hear it from you.
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#1707098 - 01/04/10 05:50 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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There are limits, and there is reality. The trick is to set the limits to achieve the reality you want. What is being achieved by setting a 3 buck limit when in reality very few will harvest 3? Wait, I think I know the answer. Because hunters' perception is they can kill 3. Then tell me, what is the benefit of this perception?
Some do. And it does not hurt a thing.
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