#1706723 - 01/04/10 02:28 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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I'm a big proponent of management decisions that allow maximum hunting and harvest opportunities as long as they do no harm to the herd.
I'm actually a fan of lower buck limits than we have now, but until someone can prove to me the current limits are doing harm to the herd, I will support the most liberal limits (hunting/harvest opportunities) we can get away with without causing harm.
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#1706730 - 01/04/10 02:30 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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I am a fan of lower limits as well, but have no data or basis to form an argument to support them. With current knowledge of lower 1.5 harvets this season then there seems to be no dramatic immediate impact of the increase in limits.
How do overall harvest total look? I have not compared them yet.
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#1706733 - 01/04/10 02:32 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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How do overall harvest total look? I have not compared them yet.
Last time I saw them, they were down. Probably from the warm weather that hit during the peak of the rut for Middle TN.
But I haven't looked at them in a couple of weeks...
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#1706737 - 01/04/10 02:35 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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Could also be the non-stop rain, keeping folks out of the woods. Or the effects of EHD just now showing up in harvests. Or the easter bunny stealing deer pre season 
Edited by Setterman (01/04/10 02:36 PM)
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#1706739 - 01/04/10 02:38 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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How do overall harvest total look? I have not compared them yet
If nothing changes quickly, it appears we will have a decline in total harvest again for the third year in a row. I dont think its a big deal, but our #'s are definitely dropping.
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#1706806 - 01/04/10 03:23 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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Alan, do you have a graph on deer hunter numbers? I'd like to see how number is moving around, too.
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#1706825 - 01/04/10 03:33 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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BGG may have it. I don't. Although I seem to recall that Tennessee is one of the few states holding steady, or increasing slightly, while a lot of others are declining.
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#1706836 - 01/04/10 03:39 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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By law, the TWRA "...shall place first and foremost the welfare of the wildlife and its environment... to the benefit of all of the citizens of Tennessee...and to implement and encourage the full utilization of Tennessee's wildlife resources..."
That's in TCA 70-1-301 (b). It is the statement of policy that created TWRA. It means the wildlife comes first, decisions should benefit all the people of Tennessee, and the benefit of the hunters must be considered as well. We should not set seasons for purely biological reasons, without considering what is best for the citizens or the hunters. Nor can we set seasons just to make people happy if it harms wildlife resources. But, all three aspects are to be considered in decisions.
First and foremost is the "welfare of the wildlife." But, citizens and hunters are to be considered too.
So even though few hunters harvest 3 bucks, the perception of being able to harvest 3, makes this regulation justifiable. But if all hunters did harvest 3 bucks, the regulation would more than likely be changed. Same concept as 3 does a day. If all hunters did harvest 3 per day, every day, the limits would be changed. But because hunters want the option, the limit stands to please hunters, not to mention the revenue that comes from the brilliant 094. I guess hunters, like myself, should start taking advantage of liberal limits in hopes they will be changed. It seems that's our only option since the majority has spoken. The MAJORITY has put our country in the mess it's in today. I didn't receive my ballot, by the way.
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#1706875 - 01/04/10 04:00 PM
Re: 1 BUCK LIMIT !!!!
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So even though few hunters harvest 3 bucks, the perception of being able to harvest 3, makes this regulation justifiable.
It does not harm the resource, and the age class of harvested bucks continues to improve, so...yes.
But if all hunters did harvest 3 bucks...
But, they won't. We both know that to be a fact, don't we?
Same concept as 3 does a day. If all hunters did harvest 3 per day, every day...
But, they won't.
But because hunters want the option, the limit stands to please hunters, not to mention the revenue that comes from the brilliant 094.
I don't see anything wrong with pleasing the hunters, if it does no harm to the resource.
I guess hunters, like myself, should start taking advantage of liberal limits in hopes they will be changed.
But, they won't. No one has the freezer space for three does a day over a four month season.
It seems that's our only option since the majority has spoken. The MAJORITY has put our country in the mess it's in today.
A democracy, bad as it may be at times, sure beats a dictatorship.
I didn't receive my ballot, by the way.
The "ballot" is done through the University of Tennessee's hunter surveys, which they do for us, under contract.
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#1706898 - 01/04/10 04:19 PM
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It seems that's our only option since the majority has spoken. The MAJORITY has put our country in the mess it's in today. A democracy, bad as it may be at times, sure beats a dictatorship.
Last I checked, the United States is a representative republic. If this country had continued to exercise this philosophy, political correctness would be nonexistent. Instead of doing what's right, we now try to please everyone.
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