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#1670892 - 12/14/09 07:00 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: buckdead]
hpdi200
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I have hunted over bait in Texas,but,in the situation i was in,lol,if you hunted there you had to,all the stands had feeders at them. As far as the guy that said he would feed protien pellets year round,but not hunt over bait,I know from experience,that the deer will eat the protien pellets before they even touch the corn,they love that stuff,with the molassis in it.So in a way that would also be a form of baiting in a way.I am not arguing this point ,just stating my opinion.but when a guy plants corn,or some type of wheat,biologic,ect,is'nt that somewhat a type of baiting,that is legal here in tennessee.It is for the deer to eat right,and you can't tell me that who ever plants it does not hunt it lol.I know it is diffrent,but look at dove hunting ,people plant millet feilds,then cut it right before dove season,the only diffrence is it isn't poured strait out of a bag onto the ground.But after a cut corn field ,or sometype of bean,there is plenty left on the ground. but to each his own,if it is made legal,then everyone has their right.
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#1670894 - 12/14/09 07:03 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: MUP]
FLIPPER
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Heck, I couldn't afford it anyway, so it's pretty much a non-issue with me.


Same here.

But...I have hunted over bait in South Carolina, Texas and Kentucky.

Every deer I killed in South Carolina was over a pile of corn.

Every deer but one in Texas was over a pile of corn.

Not a SINGLE deer I've killed in Kentucky was over a pile of corn.

If Tn allowed baiting...I probably would use it some?

I agree with Bottom Hunter...not much difference than a food plot, salt block, leaving standing corn...milo...beans or any other crop with the purpose of hunting over it.
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#1670913 - 12/14/09 07:20 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: FLIPPER]
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No need for Woodsmanship If you bait. Anyone who baits lacks Woodsmanship. You cannot gain it by taking short cuts. Bait equals lazy.
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#1670916 - 12/14/09 07:23 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: ]
Hillbilly Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: DEER ASSASSIN
 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
no way, cruel
How is it cruel?


Baiting = no sport, no skill needed, your taking an unfair and un-natural advantage of an animals basic need..."food", for that matter it takes all the hunt out of hunting, anyone who baits does not truely know or want to know how to truely hunt...they just want to kill things IMO, if all someone wants to do is kill something then they need a therapist cause they have serious repressed aggresions issues from childhood....LOL....they probably do...right?...LOL, if they allowed baiting they should change the licensing to "baiting license" instead of a "hunting license", I find hunting to be a spiritual experience and for me and I just think it should be a sport in which respect from hunter and hunted is earned through skill, true woodsmanship etc., but if TWRA thinks it is OK then I would respect thier decision but would not bait nor be a supporter of it


most stupid thing i have seen in a while

no different hunting over a food plot or salt licks

heck dont hunt the rut either cause no sport, no skill needed, your taking an unfair and un-natural advantage of an animals basic need..."sex",




The rut is an "unnatural advantage"? Pretty sure that mating is a natural urge, May not be for you, but it is for me and the deer! \:D
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#1670927 - 12/14/09 07:30 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: The Buck Machine]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: The Buck Machine
If Tennessee made baiting legal would you do it?

No.

 Originally Posted By: The Buck Machine
Thoughts, opinions, pros, cons, experiences, science, etc. Lets hear it!

In Tennessee (which is nothing like Texas or Canada), I believe making classic "baiting" legal for deer hunting would cause far more problems than benefits overall.

I also believe, statewide, we would be killing fewer older bucks with legalized baiting. As a sidenote, I have met many people over the years who were proponents of baiting for deer, many of whom apparently do it illegally in TN anyway --- most seem to be more into shooting than hunting, and at least in terms of deer hunting, were the least effective group of hunters afield considering their time spent afield. They basically had learned how to bait, sit, and shoot; but had relatively undeveloped deer hunting skills.

Besides the disease issues, hunting vs. just shooting issues, there would be a big issue where many TN deer hunters would start baiting, not because they really want to bait, but because of the we must "keep up with the Joneses" effect. If you think your neighbors are heavily baiting, drawing many of "your" deer over to their place, then you may be inclined to heavily bait, just to get back where you where before the baiting became legalized.

Thus, on top of all the other issues, baiting could become one of the most expensive aspects of many people's deer hunting, and ironically, with no improvement in their hunting situations.

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#1670930 - 12/14/09 07:33 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: cecil30-30]
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no havent done it never will
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#1670960 - 12/14/09 07:50 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I won't but I don't care if you do. I have hunted over bait, not my thing but they do it on KY and we all know how good the hunting is in KY. Maybe if we allowed baitinig we would have bucks like KY.


LMAO...It is legal just clear out a 1/2 acre in the woods with a nice limbless straight tree in the middle then plant it in clover.

Doesnt appeal to me in the least bit. It takes away the part of the hunt I believe I enjoy the most, trying to out smart the deer.
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#1670969 - 12/14/09 07:56 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
51 pointer
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how could the rut not be natural?

 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
 Originally Posted By: DEER ASSASSIN
 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: 51 pointer
no way, cruel
How is it cruel?


Baiting = no sport, no skill needed, your taking an unfair and un-natural advantage of an animals basic need..."food", for that matter it takes all the hunt out of hunting, anyone who baits does not truely know or want to know how to truely hunt...they just want to kill things IMO, if all someone wants to do is kill something then they need a therapist cause they have serious repressed aggresions issues from childhood....LOL....they probably do...right?...LOL, if they allowed baiting they should change the licensing to "baiting license" instead of a "hunting license", I find hunting to be a spiritual experience and for me and I just think it should be a sport in which respect from hunter and hunted is earned through skill, true woodsmanship etc., but if TWRA thinks it is OK then I would respect thier decision but would not bait nor be a supporter of it


most stupid thing i have seen in a while

no different hunting over a food plot or salt licks

heck dont hunt the rut either cause no sport, no skill needed, your taking an unfair and un-natural advantage of an animals basic need..."sex",




The rut is an "unnatural advantage"? Pretty sure that mating is a natural urge, May not be for you, but it is for me and the deer! \:D


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#1670987 - 12/14/09 08:00 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: @fulldraw]
Baxter83
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 Originally Posted By: mstanton1181
I'm from KY and use corn piles. I have hunted over them and while most people think you can kill a big buck over it, it is not that simple. Most big bucks I get on my cameras come in after dark. Therefore, you have to learn that path the bucks are using and set up on them away from the pile. Now, I mainly use the corn piles for inventory of my bucks on my cameras after gun season. One quick note, I have noticed that the does will keep the bucks away from the corn if there are several deer around. Anyway you look at baiting, it is not a guanrantee that you will harvest big deer. Some friends and I have been doing it for years and we have never killed a buck over the corn.


Baiting is the devil and you Kentucky people are not sportsman and you have little deer...... \:D J/K


FYI I'd have no problem with baiting being legal for reasons stated above. They'll be there eating the bait all night long and be gone by daybreak. It makes it harder to hunt them in my opinion.

Now if we were in Texas where there was less forage and natural food then they'll come into it a lot more, but we have too many oak nuts and green briars around here for them to go after a single pile of corn.... IMO \:D

I'll post the dead horse after 2 or 3 more pages......


Edited by Baxter83 (12/14/09 08:01 AM)

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#1671011 - 12/14/09 08:12 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
DWM
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 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
 Originally Posted By: DEER ASSASSIN


heck dont hunt the rut either cause no sport, no skill needed, your taking an unfair and un-natural advantage of an animals basic need..."sex",




The rut is an "unnatural advantage"? Pretty sure that mating is a natural urge, May not be for you, but it is for me and the deer! \:D


X2 \:D Never in my life have I ever heard that sex is unnatural Unless.................well I won't say it. Anyway how do you get the hot doe trained to bring him straight to the stand or is the doe tied up there. I thought the doe was also a targeted wild animal. Maybe some people are able to make deals with the doe. \:D
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