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#1677856 - 12/17/09 04:01 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
If you need bait to kill a deer, you aren't much of a hunter.

stir, stir... ;\)


Yep.
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#1677953 - 12/17/09 04:52 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: Panther78]
RKenney
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I hope it's not legalized in Tennessee. Just out of curiosity, I
wonder the sucsses rate would be if baiting were leagalized. My
bet would be, not much difference.

I think the difference would be some hunters would become more
dependent on "their corn pile", than honing their hunting skills.
I think it would be especially detremental to younger deer
hunters just starting out. They might never learn how to scout
and then they would never know what they were missing.

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#1678130 - 12/17/09 06:52 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: cecil30-30]
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Well if it were made legal then the "big guys "in the state would not have as many deer on their land because the other property near by be able to do the same as they are now ,we all know that they do it now but don't get the citations.
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#1678131 - 12/17/09 06:52 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Instead of trying to legalize baiting, how about spending your time doing something much more worthwhile, like learning to hunt deer?
AMEN brother BSK
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#1678166 - 12/17/09 07:11 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: TWL]
IceMann
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Let me tell you a little story, a true story .I was not going to post on this but ,here goes.A guy i have known of for years, not a friend of mine,just know him , who hunts east tn, and middle tn.
Well he posts on this board,and no ,I will not name him,he knows who he is.He is the first to down anyone for baiting, said they were scum, non hunters ,yada yada yada. well guess what,The first week of bow season, guess who I caught with a 50lb sack of corn , spreading it out all under his tree stand,,yep the antibaiter,caught him in the act,red faced and redhanded.
I asked him what he was doing,what he had to say for himself, he didnt say anything ,said he didnt know what to say,but got the corn up,every single kernel and well I wont go into detail on the end result,But I see he still put up a post about how he hates baiters, hmmm,could he be talking about himself..A two faced liar??Some people will never learn..Im Done..
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#1678188 - 12/17/09 07:25 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: IceMann]
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IceMann I too know of someone who used to do the same , just as you explained and he also posts on here. Hopefully he has quit as it is against the law.
For me there is no difference in throwing out a bag or 2 of corn or planting a small food plot and hunt over them. Neither is natural for that one spot. You are just attracting deer to that one spot to shoot in most cases.
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#1678213 - 12/17/09 07:43 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: SAWDUST]
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Baiting is not feeding deer. It is providing a small "teaser" amount of food to lure deer to an exact spot in front of the gun (or bow). Rarely do baiters provide food to the deer outside of hunting season, and the small amount of food provided does nothing beneficial for the deer. A single deer requires about 5 1/2 pounds of dry-weight food per day. Lets say a specific bait pile is within the seasonal range of 20 deer (not an uncommon situation). You would need to be providing over a 100 pounds of feed per day to be positively affecting the deer. In just two weeks, over 1,500 pounds of feed would be required to positively affect the deer, and then for only a 2 week period.

A food plot can provide many tons of food per acre available throughout the entire year. In addition, a food plot isn't necessarily attracting deer to one spot in front of the gun (hunt an acre food plot and tell me it is drawing deer to a guaranteed kill spot).

No. I don't need a deer so bad that I will do anything to get one. For me, it isn't how many I harvest, it is how I harvest them.

What kind of woodsmanship/hunting skills does it take to shoot a deer eating from a pile of corn or a buck standing over a hot doe while she munches on corn?

BAITING IS A TACTIC DESIRED BY LAZY HUNTERS THAT DO NOT WANT TO LEARN WOODSMANSHIP SKILLS OR SPEND THE TIME TO STUDY DEER, THEIR BEHAVIOR OR THEIR MOVEMENT PATTERNS. BAITING IS A TACTIC DESIGNED TO CIRCUMVENT EFFORT, KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL.

I was born in Minnesota and attended college and law school there; I think the MN DNR is on the right track.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/volunteer/sepoct08/bait.html

I know where I stand so I'll stand there.

You can hunt how you like.


Edited by ChippewaPartners (12/17/09 07:44 PM)

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#1678220 - 12/17/09 07:45 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: ChippewaPartners]
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 Originally Posted By: ChippewaPartners
Baiting is not feeding deer. It is providing a small "teaser" amount of food to lure deer to an exact spot in front of the gun (or bow). Rarely do baiters provide food to the deer outside of hunting season, and the small amount of food provided does nothing beneficial for the deer. A single deer requires about 5 1/2 pounds of dry-weight food per day. Lets say a specific bait pile is within the seasonal range of 20 deer (not an uncommon situation). You would need to be providing over a 100 pounds of feed per day to be positively affecting the deer. In just two weeks, over 1,500 pounds of feed would be required to positively affect the deer, and then for only a 2 week period.

A food plot can provide many tons of food per acre available throughout the entire year. In addition, a food plot isn't necessarily attracting deer to one spot in front of the gun (hunt an acre food plot and tell me it is drawing deer to a guaranteed kill spot).

No. I don't need a deer so bad that I will do anything to get one. For me, it isn't how many I harvest, it is how I harvest them.

What kind of woodsmanship/hunting skills does it take to shoot a deer eating from a pile of corn or a buck standing over a hot doe while she munches on corn?

BAITING IS A TACTIC DESIRED BY LAZY HUNTERS THAT DO NOT WANT TO LEARN WOODSMANSHIP SKILLS OR SPEND THE TIME TO STUDY DEER, THEIR BEHAVIOR OR THEIR MOVEMENT PATTERNS. BAITING IS A TACTIC DESIGNED TO CIRCUMVENT EFFORT, KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL.

I was born in Minnesota and attended college and law school there; I think the MN DNR is on the right track.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/volunteer/sepoct08/bait.html

I know where I stand so I'll stand there.

You can hunt how you like.


I would have to agree with you there. I think baiting take just enough edge off of a fair chase to make it not so much fun anymore.
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#1678254 - 12/17/09 08:10 PM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: Head Hunter Extreme]
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[quote=Head Hunter Extreme][quote=ChippewaPartners]

(hunt an acre food plot and tell me it is drawing deer to a guaranteed kill spot)


With a rifle it should be no problem being that if you sit on one corner and the foodplot is square it would only be about 210 feet to the next corner.Assuming you were just a decent shot with a rifle that is.

What kind of woodsmanship/hunting skills does it take to shoot a deer eating from a>>>> 1/4 acre food plot<<<< or a buck standing over a hot doe while she munches on>>>>>> winter wheat or turnips<<<<<< ?

changed a few words to just explain how A LOT of folks feel about small food plots.

I dont bait or intend to but thats the way I feel about IT.
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#1678619 - 12/18/09 07:13 AM Re: Baiting? Where do you stand? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
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I DEER HUNT FOR THE EXPERIENCE AND NOT FOR THE END RESULT....

BH, I truly love everything about deer hunting, from getting prepared weeks early, being with family and friends, down to camping in the woods, spending quiet time alone in a tree, etc. But the END RESULT is the absolute #1 reason im there, if not I would just go camping or bird watching, sightseeing etc. Many ways to spend time outdoors with family and friends without hunting, so I dont even try to disguise the fact that I truly intend to kill something each and every time I step foot in the woods! Winning the battle against the old mature buck, killing him at 15 yards in his own bedroom with just an arrow, thats where its at and thats the reason I go, end result equals rack in hand admiring the trophy!!! Dont try to make it something its not, its HUNTING!!!!!!!!!! I dont and wont bait either, but killing is a must!


Winchester, I hear what you're saying.......I too enjoy wrapping my hands around a big old rack....(take that quote wherever you want, haha).

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the end result.

The thing is this, and I'm sure that like you, the true hunters in this group will agree with me,... I often sit and look at my wall and remember each and every hunt and can recall most every detail. If pressed, I'm sure that I could sit down and count most every deer that I have killed and some of the details surrounding the event. Actually, the misses are often easier recalled than the kills. Even after 37 years of hunting deer, I still relive some of those hunts through stories amongst friend.

I'm not classic writer or story teller, but I don't think it would make a great story by starting it out with this sentence..." It was 25 degrees that morning and there was a thin sheet of ice over the pile of corn that I was hunting over..."

Maybe it's me, but telling the story and reliving it is just as important as the experience and the trophy on the wall. I feel sorry , somewhat, for the people that display trophies that have no story behind it......other than ones they prefer NOT to tell.

JMO

BH



Edited by Bottom Hunter (12/18/09 07:17 AM)
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