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#1520827 - 09/25/09 10:17 AM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: Fordman]
Tubakka
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Fordman,
Hats off bro. For once we're on the same page. And yeah...I couldn't believe that skipjack picture a while back. [censored] man...although I may be wanting that guys number. My contact just got jailed and it seems like this guy has some good ju-ju in his system when he pens this malarky.

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#1520832 - 09/25/09 10:19 AM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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By the way, I am all for these regs. I just don't want people to get the wrong impression though...for they will be disappointed. No matter how many big fish you have in a system...they will still behave like big fish. Period.
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#1521387 - 09/25/09 05:41 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: Tubakka]
B.D.
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To an extent yes, and to an extent, no. The 30 inch trout will always be an elusive fish. Any given river has limited capacity on how many of those it will sustain, anyway.

On the other hand, if the 24" limit and 14" to 20" slot work as intended, they will greatly increase the abundance of those intermediate fish around 20". The 20" fish behaves very different from a 10" fish, but it is still not an impossible fish for a basic angler to fool. Tough, but not impossible. Increase the abundance, and the law of averages says you'll get more hookups even among the non-specialist crowd. Even a corn dunker or a beginning fly fisher hits those fish every once in a while. I think we'll see good results there.

This is especially true with the rainbows, since a 20" rainbow still focuses most of its feeding time on bugs and stuff, and they aren't the same type of predator that the big browns are.

The experience on the Cumberland is a good point of reference for this. When the 15"-20" slot went in up there, people started catching a lot of slot rainbows, with a legit 17" fish being a lot more common than before. The big browns are tougher, but you still had even average fishermen picking up 18" to 20" browns more than before. Fishing for the 10+ lb. fish didn't really get any easier though.

bd

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#1521752 - 09/25/09 09:18 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: B.D.]
bowriter
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Compare trophy trout fishing to QDM. Once you get these fish to a certain size, they are as hard to catch as it is to kill a 160" whitetail.

Priest is a perfect example of fishery management at its' worst. Old Hickory is fast becoming the leader in poor management. Maybe the fish folks should take a page from the deer folks management plan.

We have a deer biologist who actually knows what he is doing. Now if we could just get one in fishery management. Now someone tell me, what the he11 is wrong with Caney? What needs fixing? It is providing some outstanding trout fishing for a multitude of anglers. It is a put an take ditch. That is what it is "planned" to do. I don't keep trout, makes no difference to me. But why not manage a resource in the way in which it was originally planned. If it aint broke, why try and fix it?

What needs fixing?
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#1521757 - 09/25/09 09:21 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: bowriter]
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Whew!!! I feel better.
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#1522406 - 09/26/09 11:35 AM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: bowriter]
Tubakka
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Bowriter, I see this as a move to accomodate anyone. It still is a ditch for the people wanting to fill stringers with stockers, and accomodates the bigger fish. I'm more excited frankly about the rainbow reg than the brown.
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#1522542 - 09/26/09 01:11 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Bd, I think you're right to a degree. But still, most of these fish don't get active and feed unless its at night in the runs, or under generation. I've waded enough to know, only near perfect weather conditions bring big browns shallow into the runs in daylight. You can get some over 20", but its rare. It's fun...but those who just wade on falling water right below the dam are not going ot see those fish no matter how many are in there. Just facts. Generation and nightfall are huge keys for the biggest browns, which I'm still learning albeit...
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#1522567 - 09/26/09 01:25 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: Tubakka]
B.D.
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Like I said, "biggest" browns yeah, but not necessarily the 20 inchers. I have caught fish that size nymphing in shallow runs in daylight. It doesn't happen often, but it happens often enough that an average angler has a shot at one if he puts enough time in. Increasing the numbers of those fish increases the number of potential shots.

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#1522581 - 09/26/09 01:31 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: bowriter]
B.D.
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
Once you get these fish to a certain size, they are as hard to catch as it is to kill a 160" whitetail.


How much is 160" - about 13 feet? I agree that a 13-foot whitetail would be one hard-to-kill critter. \:\)

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But why not manage a resource in the way in which it was originally planned.


Who says the management plan can't change?

bd

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#1531882 - 10/01/09 12:52 PM Re: Caney Fork Proposal [Re: B.D.]
basset
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getting rid of the canoe rentals would be the best way to improve the upper Caney.
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