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#1443620 - 08/07/09 02:24 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
bowriter
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No question. Game over right then and friendships with it. $4000??? You realize that is fraud and probably a felony? I'd have to contact a lawyer but it seems to me, since you were in the boat....

well you figure it out.
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#1443682 - 08/07/09 03:19 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: bowriter]
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They wouldnt be friends of mine any longer.
I fished a small club and we had suspected that one of our members was cheating. As he had paid his dues, he was still permitted to fish the tournaments but he was not allowed to fish alone or with non-club members. The day he was called on it was the last tournament he fished with us.

My thoughts were that he was stealing my money. As for these guys, how many times have they STOLEN from other fisherman. If not called on it, how many more times will they attempt the same thievery...

Speaking with the club officials about it will probably be best. Word will get out to be on the lookout for these guys.
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#1443683 - 08/07/09 03:21 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
No question. Game over right then and friendships with it. $4000??? You realize that is fraud and probably a felony? I'd have to contact a lawyer but it seems to me, since you were in the boat....

well you figure it out.


Exactly. You know what you need to do, so do it. And be prepared to pay up $4000 out of your own pocket so that the rightful 3rd place winners can get their pay. Money is replacable, honor is permanent. Who cares if your wives are friends.

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#1443685 - 08/07/09 03:22 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: 44fanatic]
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Find some new fishin buddies. what's done is done though
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#1443699 - 08/07/09 03:30 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: bobthebowhunter]
pass-thru
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Based on your post in the fishing forum, you did not know what he had done until afterward. That is a a good thing for you, as you did not conspire to commit fraud. But you still know what you need to do. And as ferg pointed out, you hold yourself to this forum as a member of the armed services. Think about the oath that you took and how your failure to act properly at this point would reflect on your service. You owe those to scumbags absolutely nothing. Do the right thing and you can sleep at night knowing that your honor is intact.
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#1443714 - 08/07/09 03:43 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: pass-thru]
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 Originally Posted By: pass-thru
And be prepared to pay up $4000 out of your own pocket so that the rightful 3rd place winners can get their pay.


I wouldn't think it would be his place to payback any money since he refused it after winning..... the two guilty people that accepted the money should be the ones responsible for paying back the winnings.... IMHO....
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#1443724 - 08/07/09 03:50 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
pass-thru
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: pass-thru
And be prepared to pay up $4000 out of your own pocket so that the rightful 3rd place winners can get their pay.


I wouldn't think it would be his place to payback any money since he refused it after winning..... the two guilty people that accepted the money should be the ones responsible for paying back the winnings.... IMHO....


If he knew what they were doing before the money was paid, then he would be equally culpible and responsible for the $4k.

If he didn't find out until after the money had been paid, he wouldn't be on the hook for the 4k.

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#1443732 - 08/07/09 03:59 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: pass-thru]
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I think Pas-Thru is correct. But I'd dam sure get some legal advice.
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#1443736 - 08/07/09 04:01 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: pass-thru]
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 Originally Posted By: SAR Swimmer
I defered the money from the guys that I was fishing with. The guy pulled the fish out at the weigh in and later told me the story of how he caught it on day 1 after we stood up to accept the prizes. I fished on the back of the boat all day and they fished on the front. This fish was in the front livewell all day.


I guess it could go either way.....
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#1443744 - 08/07/09 04:11 PM Re: Not Deer Hunting But a Unethical Situation [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Wow...all I can say is what my dad always said to me.."you are who you are with"...there isn't a man on this forum that hasn't done something wrong in their lives but I think it's how you "make amends" and "stand up to it" that determines the men from the boys. I don't know if you have kids but if you do..what would you want your son to do so that you are "proud" of him...whatever that is, then throw that caution bullshit aside and do it. Forget lawyers, lawyers don't make it any easier to look in the mirror every morning...and they don't make it right....
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