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#1348314 - 05/30/09 08:22 PM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: Tubakka]
stillinscrubs
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 Originally Posted By: Tubakka
now we have people like you who think that taking fish especially from fisheries where they're stocked 40,000+ a year, is some kind of destructive and outright cro magnon practice.


I have never suggested anything but wise management. Such as slot limits. I have never used the term cro magnon to describe "meat fisherman". I do think a sport fish such as trout, in a much more heavily pressured fishery, are better utilized if caught more than once. They cost money to stock, why not get more than one catch out of most of them? The rockfish/stripers are also stocked, are an alien species, and are afforded more protection by the state. Why is this?

I included a picture of a fish I caught and killed....so I would imagine this excludes me from the catch and release only crowd. And if you make it out to Louisiana or where I caught my tuna keep up to the legal limit. The tuna in the USA have a 3 per person day/trip limit. And there are a lot more of them than trout in the Caney.

I still think releasing most of the sport fish caught in the Caney is a better use of the resource. I have never asked for or suggested catch and release only. But, I have also never harvested over the limit. And the 40,000+ fish aren't stocked at 18 inches. Much closer to 4 or 5 inches. How many make it to 18 inches?


Back to the Jewfish. I am not against their harvest. I have been tormented by them eating grouper, snapper, and other species of fish I have hooked. Wise resource management would be a good idea I think. Both spear fisherman and rod and reel fisherman contributed to their decline. While some were sold for consumption. Even guys like I believe Roland Martin will admit they caught them and threw them away in the past. I may have my fisher personality confused, but wanton waste did not help the population.

BD, I would have guessed you would be making ambulance chasing analogies, not old biker chick comments. Anything to keep your mind off work?

Scrubs

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#1348496 - 05/31/09 12:25 AM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: stillinscrubs]
Tubakka
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Scrubs,
My only issue with any management input on the Caney thus far, as I think a 20-24" slot to keep, protected 24-30" and one above that limit would be great on Caney...

...is that all the time...everywhere....us "meat hunters" get slammed for harvesting a fish every now and then, and get labeled therefore as mindless butchers of "rare" fish...by people that aren't even aware of how to consistently catch them. Most of them anyway...

...even worse, we're labeled as the anglers with the extended foreheads who pick fleas off each other's backs as we float down the river, but hey...I didn't see any drift boats out fishing under the 22K cfs conditions, or even under the two. You may not like us, you may not care to do it yourself, but you gotta give us credit...we put in time, and we try our best to learn, and occasionally we bear pretty good fruit...at least for the little over a year and a half we've actually hit the river pretty hard [actually, that's about 7 months for me personally...I was gone to the continental fallis for a few months]. Instead of being valued as a regular reported of river conditions under a variety of conditions, and offering up some pretty valid and valuable creel information, we just get slammed. We're not the best, but hey we're out there. Kinda gets old...but whatever.

...anyways, the claims don't add up. I hear that harvest has increased as well as pressure towards larger fish, but after being gone a year and not really gaining any ground on the fishery in knowledge, I come back catching more and bigger fish than ever. Hmmmm...so apparently, harvest doesn't destroy a fishery stocked with 40,000 browns a year. And frankly, I think a good portion of those fish reach the adult size. Just because you ain't seein' them, doesn't mean they aren't there. Big trout don't live in the runs, Scrubs. They live in the holes. Just because you pop a few nice bass or muskies up on the weedbed, that doesn't mean you're aware of the school of them waiting off the first or secondary breakline [yes you heard right, muskies live in schools]

Comparing an open ocean pelagic species with literally billions of square miles and thousands of feet in depth to roam and chase baitfish and hide from lines and hooks in numbers, compared to a river with a maximum depth of maybe...MAAAAAAYBE 20 feet...only 26 miles long, and stocked with over 120,000 trout a year...I'd say taking the volume of water in question between the two, that the trout are much more highly condensed in population than the tuna. Ergo, more easily targeted I suppose, but only so many people can fish a river. It's like saying there's more mosquitoes in a swamp in Florida than there are penguins in the arctic exhibit at Sea World, and that somehow being profound in nature.

...let's be frank, Scrubs. Most of the guys who act like a 20" brown is some "diamon d in the rough" and miracle story of survival, when the limit protects them to 18"...really doesn't know much about trout fishing. At all. 20" browns are morons...with about as much reserve as a horomonal teenager chasing after a jerkbait like the first girl in class to bump up to a B cup. Ya gotta put a little pivot in those hips, but they come runnin'. A little bigger and they get more settled....

...then there's the ones like shore hooked into today....

...that thing could've mugged a full grown rockfish.


...so I couldn't help but read the synopsis for the TU Brooktrout plate at Happy Hollow...which I sincerely mean when I say looks superb and would like to purchase one myself..of course I'd like to paint a little circle hook through his nose and X's over his eyes his eyes [KIDDING...kidding...], but the proceeds are still good...it is a great thing, and a very attractive piece of artwork. But in the prose so eloquently written [again, not actually being a sarcastic jerk], it states in one sentence how the appalachian brook trout is a symbol of American determination, dedication, and perseverance...or some general idea of that phrase. Then in the next sentence, how...apparently a testament to the aforementioned ideals represented...it has been reduced to a mere 9% of its former natural habitat. Even though that is tragic and utterly ridiculous, and I think the little guys are cool for holdin' out so long and need to be protected...isn't that kinda like putting a thylacine on the Australian flag, or a passenger pigeon on our own? Food for thought...


I'd like to add in parenthetical that this entire post was made at 1 am after enjoying a bit of leftover Wild Turkey Honey Bourbon...

...hey it helps with the cough...


Edited by Tubakka (05/31/09 12:59 AM)

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#1348608 - 05/31/09 09:00 AM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: Tubakka]
stillinscrubs
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Corey,
It comes to mind that you seem to stick to the jerkbait fishing
technique as strongly as you claim flyfisherman stick to flyfishing.
While all the while flyfisherman on here state they fly fish becuase they enjoy flyfishing.
Yet you claim you use jerk baits because it is the way to catch the biggest fish,
but you don't catch the biggest fish.....am I missing something?

Or are you?

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#1348707 - 05/31/09 11:17 AM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: Tubakka]
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#1348821 - 05/31/09 02:05 PM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: buckhorn40]
Tubakka
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hey scrubs,
Who does Scrubs? YOU? HAHAHAHAHA, yeah okay...sure thing, buckaroo.

...give it time, friend. I've only fished that river 8 months, total, and just got back with the tools that allow me to fish it to the level I need to efficiently. While I love going after other fish, I'm pretty set on figuring out the secrets to that fishery. Sure there are guys out there that catch a few bigger fish than me, but I have a pretty dang good size average...

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#1348823 - 05/31/09 02:10 PM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: Tubakka]
Tubakka
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Gettin' kinda tense aren't cha? It must be so sad that you get so riled up over the rantings of a little redneck kid...

...I love every minute of it. Keep steppin' in it man.

Btw, man...if you're going to be a freak show and try to discern my name from people you know who have fished with me, and then refer to me by my name on a messageboard as some form of pathetic Hannibal Lector "Hello Clarisse" bs...at least spell it right...

...C....O...R...Y....

...I think I hit a nerve with the brook trout comment.

And I do think in fact those are the guys catching the larger fish. Guess I know what I must do....


Edited by Tubakka (05/31/09 02:21 PM)

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#1348850 - 05/31/09 03:31 PM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: Tubakka]
stillinscrubs
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You aren't a redneck, you're a Yankee.
Worse you are a Yankee from Illinois.

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#1348866 - 05/31/09 04:29 PM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: stillinscrubs]
B.D.
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The discussion above clearly illustrates that this forum would be better if you guys had the balls to post your full names.

Oh, and maybe specifics about your medical error rates and malpractice coverage.

 Originally Posted By: stillinscrubs

BD, I would have guessed you would be making ambulance chasing analogies, not old biker chick comments. Anything to keep your mind off work?


Closer to what you had in mind?



bd

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#1349022 - 05/31/09 07:43 PM Re: Sebastien Inlet, Florida [Re: B.D.]
B.D.
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By the way, if we're going to get this thread to 4 pages, could we possibly NOT repost the picture of the jewfish, so that this discussion isn't about 3 monitor screens wide?

bd


Edited by Brian Dunigan (05/31/09 07:43 PM)

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