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#1338525 - 05/23/09 01:28 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: ]
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you can be sure, twra has never been much on managing for quality, be it turkey, deer, or crappie. everything is about quantity and revenue. that being said, much of the state is doing fine with the four bird limit, although three would be plenty for me. every farm i hunt has at least one good tom left, and multiple jakes. i have a hard time believing that your population is suffering if the hens are being left alone. you may have some poaching problems or even some severe nest predation. may need to get out the rat poison!
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#1338530 - 05/23/09 01:48 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
you can be sure, twra has never been much on managing for quality, be it turkey, deer, or crappie. everything is about quantity and revenue. that being said, much of the state is doing fine with the four bird limit, although three would be plenty for me. every farm i hunt has at least one good tom left, and multiple jakes. i have a hard time believing that your population is suffering if the hens are being left alone. you may have some poaching problems or even some severe nest predation. may need to get out the rat poison!
I'm not sure that I understand managing turkeys for "quality". What is that? However, with any resource that is under their oversight, why wouldn't they manage for quanity? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, try to create the mostest for the mostest? And on the revenue thing, how would you have them even function without revenue? Is all of your work pro-bono? LOL
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#1338638 - 05/23/09 06:45 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: 4onaside]
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 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
However, with any resource that is under their oversight, why wouldn't they manage for quanity? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, try to create the mostest for the mostest? And on the revenue thing, how would you have them even function without revenue? Is all of your work pro-bono? LOL


Ahh, here we go again. Another fine socialist/communist.

to be consistent, i guess you would rather them raise a hundred jakes per square mile than twenty toms, theoretically speaking of course, to go along with those stud ten inch crappie you keep so many of!!

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#1338692 - 05/23/09 08:36 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
However, with any resource that is under their oversight, why wouldn't they manage for quanity? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, try to create the mostest for the mostest? And on the revenue thing, how would you have them even function without revenue? Is all of your work pro-bono? LOL


Ahh, here we go again. Another fine socialist/communist.

to be consistent, i guess you would rather them raise a hundred jakes per square mile than twenty toms, theoretically speaking of course, to go along with those stud ten inch crappie you keep so many of!!
You mean someone else, another "fine socialist/communist" has challenged your statements before? Amazing! Quit speaking out of another part of your anatomy other than your mouth and tell us how the state would go about "quality" turkey management.That was the statement that you made, that you probably thought sounded good, and that's what I asked you to define. What's involved in that? Is that something like don't shoot anything less that 12 inch beards and/or 1 and half inch spurs. And of course, nothing under 25 lbs. No doubt, just like you do. Of course, that's assuming that you even turkey hunt. You do turkey hunt, don't you? And you obviously couldn't speak the truth if you had a cue card, but I haven't kept a fish,"stud ten inch crappie" included in years. However, If I choose to do so, how about sending me your address so I can write and get your written permission? I certainly want to make sure that you elitists approve. You know, that statement about "stud ten inch crappie" that you made, defines you as well as your bio would. And your arrogant statement about kids and girls(shame on you) on another post just hammers who you are home.
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#1338729 - 05/23/09 09:45 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: ]
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4, i am sure this eludes you, but to me "quality" in a turkey hunt would include lots of mature birds and lots of good gobbling. in case you didn't know, the two go together. so, listen closely, to manage for that you would protect the jakes and hens, because the jakes become toms. i know this is really complicated but i don't mind explaining it for you.
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#1338730 - 05/23/09 09:48 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: ]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
4onaside, he is confusing me with you, I have kept hundreds if not thousands of 10" crappie over the last years. Sue me...
Sometimes your and my philosophies don't completely mesh, but from reading your posts I know that you are a fine turkey hunter and I really respect that. If I don't necessarily agree with you on a post, I don't call you names, and I don't expect that either from any mature individual. He's going into the lier, lier pants on fire defense. LOL
Incidentally, there is nothing that I would rather do than catch a crappie on an ultra light with a jig. And I have caught thousands that way. And, I don't keep them, mainly because I don't want to fool with them. But when my son goes with me, ah that's another matter. He keeps them......and fillets them.....and fries them........and I eat them! The best fish around, particularly when you just have to catch them and eat them with no hassle in between.
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#1338743 - 05/23/09 10:20 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: ]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
4, i am sure this eludes you, but to me "quality" in a turkey hunt would include lots of mature birds and lots of good gobbling. in case you didn't know, the two go together. so, listen closely, to manage for that you would protect the jakes and hens, because the jakes become toms. i know this is really complicated but i don't mind explaining it for you.
Thanks for your patience in explaining all of that to me. I know that it is frustrating dealing with people who don't have the intellect that you possess, well at least as seen by you. However, the part that I am really having trouble understanding is a who cannot talk without talking down to someone. I apologized to you on PM which was obviously a serious error in judgement on my part. My first reaction to you and about you was apparently the correct one.
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#1338989 - 05/24/09 11:24 AM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: 4onaside]
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4- I feel your pain. deerlawyer is an amazing person. Expert on all subjects. There is nothing he doesn't know and has no problem talking down to people. Master outdoorsman with no people skills.
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#1339033 - 05/24/09 12:08 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: TurkeyBurd]
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i hunt a large tract of public land in morgan co. :X several years ago it was nothing to hear 5 or 6 gobblers every morning. now most mornings you hear none. to my knowledge(very few people hunt this place and we all pretty much know each other) there have been a grand total of 7 turkeys killed off this place since i started hunting it(15+ yrs ago). where did all these turkeys go? it wasn't hunters.
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#1339419 - 05/24/09 08:45 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: stik]
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stik,
Last year, 2008 Spring, I hunted turkey in my favorite area. An area I know WELL. I heard ONE gobbler ALL season. I killed ZERO. And I hunted ALL over several counties. It was the worst season I ever had.
This year...same areas....POLAR opposite.
I heard and worked MANY mature birds, and killed THREE!

My buddies had simila luck last year, and killed 3 or 4 each this year.

THe birds were there last season also, they just did not gobble.

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