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#1337240 - 05/22/09 08:02 AM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: captain hook]
Lawrence
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I really dont know how bad it will get before they make a change. We cant continue to have these liberal bag limits and long drawn out seasons and expect the hunting to get better.
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#1337503 - 05/22/09 10:19 AM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: Lawrence]
smstone22
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Captain, your numbers show the same thing mine does in that Bell KY's harvest has gone steady up per sq mile over the last 4 years but Claiborne TN has dropped significantly, hopefully Claiborne has hit a plateau though, we havent.
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#1338101 - 05/22/09 04:56 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: renegade50]
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I have a lease in Fentress that Steven know far too good, he harvested a bird on it 2 years ago and told me as soon as season comes too they will be harder to see, sure enough I began getting pics and once season got here Buckhorn took a LB on opening day but it jus eased into the field he was hunting, since then we havent got on anymore birds I dont recall them hearing any I didnt go there much this year I was trying to go to the woodpile!!! \:D
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#1338476 - 05/23/09 11:22 AM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: Lawrence]
renegade50
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
I really dont know how bad it will get before they make a change. We cant continue to have these liberal bag limits and long drawn out seasons and expect the hunting to get better.


lawrence
that says it all in a nutshell for both deer and turkey

good post
right to the point.
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#1338525 - 05/23/09 01:28 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: renegade50]
deerlawyer
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you can be sure, twra has never been much on managing for quality, be it turkey, deer, or crappie. everything is about quantity and revenue. that being said, much of the state is doing fine with the four bird limit, although three would be plenty for me. every farm i hunt has at least one good tom left, and multiple jakes. i have a hard time believing that your population is suffering if the hens are being left alone. you may have some poaching problems or even some severe nest predation. may need to get out the rat poison!
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#1338530 - 05/23/09 01:48 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: deerlawyer]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
you can be sure, twra has never been much on managing for quality, be it turkey, deer, or crappie. everything is about quantity and revenue. that being said, much of the state is doing fine with the four bird limit, although three would be plenty for me. every farm i hunt has at least one good tom left, and multiple jakes. i have a hard time believing that your population is suffering if the hens are being left alone. you may have some poaching problems or even some severe nest predation. may need to get out the rat poison!
I'm not sure that I understand managing turkeys for "quality". What is that? However, with any resource that is under their oversight, why wouldn't they manage for quanity? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, try to create the mostest for the mostest? And on the revenue thing, how would you have them even function without revenue? Is all of your work pro-bono? LOL
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#1338638 - 05/23/09 06:45 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: 4onaside]
deerlawyer
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 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
However, with any resource that is under their oversight, why wouldn't they manage for quanity? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, try to create the mostest for the mostest? And on the revenue thing, how would you have them even function without revenue? Is all of your work pro-bono? LOL


Ahh, here we go again. Another fine socialist/communist.

to be consistent, i guess you would rather them raise a hundred jakes per square mile than twenty toms, theoretically speaking of course, to go along with those stud ten inch crappie you keep so many of!!

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#1338692 - 05/23/09 08:36 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: deerlawyer]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: deerlawyer
 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
However, with any resource that is under their oversight, why wouldn't they manage for quanity? Isn't that what they are supposed to do, try to create the mostest for the mostest? And on the revenue thing, how would you have them even function without revenue? Is all of your work pro-bono? LOL


Ahh, here we go again. Another fine socialist/communist.

to be consistent, i guess you would rather them raise a hundred jakes per square mile than twenty toms, theoretically speaking of course, to go along with those stud ten inch crappie you keep so many of!!
You mean someone else, another "fine socialist/communist" has challenged your statements before? Amazing! Quit speaking out of another part of your anatomy other than your mouth and tell us how the state would go about "quality" turkey management.That was the statement that you made, that you probably thought sounded good, and that's what I asked you to define. What's involved in that? Is that something like don't shoot anything less that 12 inch beards and/or 1 and half inch spurs. And of course, nothing under 25 lbs. No doubt, just like you do. Of course, that's assuming that you even turkey hunt. You do turkey hunt, don't you? And you obviously couldn't speak the truth if you had a cue card, but I haven't kept a fish,"stud ten inch crappie" included in years. However, If I choose to do so, how about sending me your address so I can write and get your written permission? I certainly want to make sure that you elitists approve. You know, that statement about "stud ten inch crappie" that you made, defines you as well as your bio would. And your arrogant statement about kids and girls(shame on you) on another post just hammers who you are home.
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#1338707 - 05/23/09 09:07 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: 4onaside]
captain hook
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4onaside, he is confusing me with you, I have kept hundreds if not thousands of 10" crappie over the last years. Sue me...
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#1338729 - 05/23/09 09:45 PM Re: What says TWRA about this... [Re: captain hook]
deerlawyer
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4, i am sure this eludes you, but to me "quality" in a turkey hunt would include lots of mature birds and lots of good gobbling. in case you didn't know, the two go together. so, listen closely, to manage for that you would protect the jakes and hens, because the jakes become toms. i know this is really complicated but i don't mind explaining it for you.
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