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#1334968 - 05/20/09 08:36 PM Re: anti jake folks [Re: RNDeLoach]
4onaside
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 Originally Posted By: RNDeLoach
Where I hunt I have never heard a jake gobble or even seen a jake strut because where I hunt we do not kill jakes and we have plenty of longbeards. If you let a big group of jakes just mill around they will be a big group of two year old birds the next year. Two years ago there were a group of 8 jakes. I saw them quite often. They stayed together and the next year they turned into 8 longbeards. I have never killed a jake nor will I ever kill a jake. Many people kill jakes just to add to the numbers that they have killed. A jake is like a spike to me. They dont take the best pictures and what can you actually do with a 3-6" beard. People should just let yearling birds turn into adults.
What do you with the meat from the turkeys that you kill, throw it away? Maybe you do, with the statement "what can you actually do with a 3-6" beard". Jakes certainly eat better than 3 year old birds. That's why the chicken industry sells pullets rather than roosters.
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#1335012 - 05/20/09 09:02 PM Re: anti jake folks [Re: 4onaside]
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Well this was my first turkey season and I killed a 2 1/2 year old long beard. (Please no applause)
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I also had an easy shot at a jake a few weeks later and decided to pass. I share a lease with family members and our turkey population is very much Unit B ish. Having said that, if I had been on public land and competing with a gaggle of other hunters, the outcome would have been different.
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#1335064 - 05/20/09 09:25 PM Re: anti jake folks [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Several studies have shown that b/w 33%50% of jakes die naturally in their first year. If you add hunter kills to that % it can have a major impact.

Bottom line, if you like killing mature gobblers (longbeards), then shooting any jakes is not the best idea. But it happens, and within reason isn't the end of the world.
Bottom line for me is that I enjoy turkey hunting, and I could care less which age class a bird falls into, because I know that sooner or later during most seasons one or more of each class is likely to show up. And if not, so what.
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#1335126 - 05/20/09 09:57 PM Re: anti jake folks [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook
Congrats, but I have to ask how did you know he was 2.5 and not 2 or 3? \:\)
Hook, that's an easy trap to fall into when you are constantly using the half years describing whitetail ages. I was telling a buddy about my turkey season today and started the same "one half" descriptions but then caught and corrected myself.
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#1335170 - 05/20/09 11:17 PM Re: anti jake folks [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: bsl
 Originally Posted By: RNDeLoach
Where I hunt I have never heard a jake gobble or even seen a jake strut because where I hunt we do not kill jakes and we have plenty of longbeards. If you let a big group of jakes just mill around they will be a big group of two year old birds the next year. Two years ago there were a group of 8 jakes. I saw them quite often. They stayed together and the next year they turned into 8 longbeards. I have never killed a jake nor will I ever kill a jake. Many people kill jakes just to add to the numbers that they have killed. A jake is like a spike to me. They dont take the best pictures and what can you actually do with a 3-6" beard. People should just let yearling birds turn into adults.



They eat just as good as a big gobbler.I like the lb too but not gonna tell people to let them go.
Ah, but you have a live and let live mind-set, something that many of these people do not have. They don't shoot jakes, which is fine. But they cannot be content with that. They have to tell you that you shouldn't. In the world of politics they would be known as belt-way liberals aka "I know what's best for you".lol
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#1335333 - 05/21/09 07:19 AM Re: anti jake folks [Re: ]
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I would think that if they have made it to the hunting season, their percentage of surviving would be way higher, just as a longbeards would be.

Those low mortality rates would almost have to apply to their lives from hatch-6 months or so. But, I could be wrong.

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#1335363 - 05/21/09 07:44 AM Re: anti jake folks [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: captain hook

It may be due to that they are still alone in essence without the watchful eyes of mature birds to help alert them of danger. Who knows.


I can see that. The old "there is security in numbers" deal.

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#1335394 - 05/21/09 08:07 AM Re: anti jake folks [Re: VolDoug]
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I really dont see how you can accidentally kill a jake. My father always taught me that you are supposed to see a visible beard before you shoot. The spring turkey guide also says you must see a visible beard before you shoot. If you follow that then you wont accidentally kill a jake. If it is too thick to see a beard then you probably dont need to be taking the shot. As far as what I do with the meat I generally clean it and give it to the landowners as a good gesture. They greatly appreciate that. Now I see no problem if you want to get a jake for a first time hunter. There is nothing wrong with that but hunting is not all about the numbers and how many you put on the table. I love watching jakes just feed on bugs and peck around with the hens. This is just my .02. Different strokes for different folks.
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#1335471 - 05/21/09 08:32 AM Re: anti jake folks [Re: turkeyhunter]
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I shot at ones head this season and when it flew off it was a Jake judging by its fan...flying off....I was tickled I missed!!
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#1335493 - 05/21/09 08:40 AM Re: anti jake folks [Re: spitndrum]
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If there is such a thing as a good miss I guess that would be one.
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