#1200512 - 02/25/09 12:02 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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BSK, can't answer a question.
And don't ever ask me questions about art, literature, music or poetry either. I don't get any of those. They are simply outside the realm of my analytical mind.
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#1206528 - 02/28/09 03:44 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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BSK, can't answer a question. And don't ever ask me questions about art, literature, music or poetry either. I don't get any of those. They are simply outside the realm of my analytical mind.
But thats the whole point Bryan!,..there really is nothing to get with those things!...there in lies the beauty of them... 
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#1255058 - 03/23/09 07:23 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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interesting
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#1255846 - 03/24/09 07:20 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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BSK, can't answer a question. And don't ever ask me questions about art, literature, music or poetry either. I don't get any of those. They are simply outside the realm of my analytical mind. But thats the whole point Bryan!,..there really is nothing to get with those things!...there in lies the beauty of them...
HA! 
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#1261151 - 03/26/09 04:53 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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It is probably a fact that the only way to achieve a true 50:50 kill ratio is to make it does only. I think that might come close. Not true.............Look at KY. They have done it for over five years.
Yes...but they have telecheck. 
Yes so they do not really check in at station .
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#1281228 - 04/07/09 09:43 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Very interesting data.
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#1309863 - 04/30/09 09:56 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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This is just two data points in my experience last year.
Dickson co. at Montgomery Bell state park.
In early Sept. I found 8 deer skeletons in a 4 mile hike near water. All were does. 7 were mature enough to have horns, one was a .5 yr old fawn skeleton. I assume they were due to EHD.
I wonder if EHD somehow hit the does harder than the bucks in that particular area? I found NO buck skulls.
IF and it is a big IF, EHD somehow affected the does more than bucks, it makes sense that harvest ratios would be affected in those areas.
In the places I hunt, deer sightings were dramatically different than previous years. WAY fewer buck sightings and does were packed up until MZ when they disappeared until after season was well over.
Normally we see a LOT more bucks during season and the does tend to be scattered in smaller groups.
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#1335087 - 05/20/09 09:33 PM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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I actually saw less does as a whole and more bucks than normal.
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#1460379 - 08/19/09 11:49 AM
Re: '07 v '08 County Harvest Comparison
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Great compilation, BSK! Thanks for posting this! Wow , the doe harvest really dropped , while more hunters apparently chose to shoot a buck instead . Could this be in large part due to a significant increase in the early November muzzleloader buck limit, going from 1 to 3 in Unit A, and from 2 to 3 in Unit L? Could it be many hunters decided to kill a buck INSTEAD of a doe, since killing the 1st buck to come along (in Unit A) would not end their muzzleloader "buck" hunting? OR... Could this be in large part due to a significant increase in the buck harvest capabilities of hunters because of the extra weekend of muzzleloader hunting during the prime of the rut? Afterall 5,000+ extra bucks fell that weekend compared to the year before. Right there is your difference. Think about it. Just like Bryan said, we're concerned about it, especially in Unit L where we can't afford to see significant drops in doe harvest, but reacting to ONE data point is not usually a wise idea. Also, when trends change, try to think of all potential causes of the change and don't try to pigeon-hole one of the changes that you disagreed with. If I was to make an educated guess, I'd say it was easliy a combination of the two changes that resulted in a drop of doe harvest. Whether or not the drop in doe harvest will be prolonged will only be known after at least another year or two of data is collected. Keep in mind, most regulation changes involve a "novelty" effect where you see a spike in harvest because something is new, then things settle back down. Wouldn't it be great if we gave all Tennessee hunters extra harvest capability without having the least bit of impact on the herd? That's the justification for many of our changes. I'd be very careful about assuming the extra two days of ML accounts for the increase in deer harvest. If anything, ML season this year showed the potential for negative effects of a buck limit increase from 2 to 3 on the doe harvest. As you already know, here's the numbers from 2007 to 2008... 2007 ML harvest statewide... 13,941 bucks 13,738 does 2008 ML harvest statewide... 21,570 bucks 13,779 does Which is around a 40% increase in buck harvest, yet only a 1-2% increase in doe harvest. If the 2 to 3 buck limit increase had no effect on the sex ratios of what hunters killed, one would have expected the doe harvest to have increased by another 40% this year over last. Again, it's my supposition that most hunters have freezer space and desire to clean (or pay for processing) only 2 or 3 deer at the most. Since they can now fill their freezer with 2 bucks and still save the last tag for a trophy, that's what happening. Which is fine, there are plenty of bucks out there. BUT, from a herd manager's prospective, the reduction in does harvested that comes with that harvest philosophy ends up being more detrimental to the herd in the long run. It'll be interesting to see what happens next year...but I strongly suspect the harvest percentages won't be very different.
I can imagine how much more of a jump this is going to be now with a 2 week November muzzleloader!
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